pat247

iTrader: (1)

@WarSurfer I stand corrected about the blocks being different. I actually have not been reading all the speculation articles about the new raptor, ford will eventually(soon I hope) release the specs for it. That said my opening statement about the engines being completely different is accurate. How much do you think it would cost to bump the horse power on the Raptor ecoBoost motor up to the hp of the GT? My guess is in excess of $30k hence why they say the GT ecoBoost motor is a very limited production motor.

Lenn

With tuning technologies the way they are, I don't imagine it would be hard at all to get the Raptor EB nearly up to the GT in horsepower specs. Heck, Franchi has/had a gen1 EB F150 with only bolt on mods and a tune and he got his up over 400 whp IIRC. He hasn't given us an update on it in a long time.

snobdds

This is still not right. Read again what WarSurfer said. He is 100% correct. It's the same engine with a few tweaks...

pat247

iTrader: (1)

First let me say, I like the ecoBoost motor and I have owned two F150's with the gen 1 eB. I bought a Waggoner IC from Franchi and had an ARH y-pipe mated to a Raptor 3" exhaust system, Livernois tune. I never had it on a dyno but it would roast a set of Raptor wheels and tires. To go from that level of hp to the GT level will cost an insane amount of money. My biggest concern is with water ingestion from the IC because when that happens it is scary if you happen to be merging into heavy traffic on an interstate highway. I can tell you from experience that riding in a bucking coughing no power F150 that feels like it has four flat tires in rush hour traffic is not something I want to experience ever again.

shelteredraptor

are you saying the intercooler brick let go, or the manifold going to it? I believe that has been addressed and corrected?

WarSurfer

The GT Eco and Raptor engines are the 'same' WRT being gen 2 CGI vs gen 1 aluminum and 'all new'. My point was the Raptor Eco is not a modified gen 1 Eco, it is totally new. The GT Eco is different in that it was specifically designed with road racing in mind. Different heads/cams/intake/turbos...

It's a very similar discussion as the Raptor R 6.2 vs the production 6.2. Similar architecture but not exactly the same. You can make an R engine out of a production 6.2, but not without taking it apart.

AbitaPro

Seems like you two got the new H.O. 3.5L Ecoboost engine figured out.

Do you know if Ford has really got the IC water in engine issues resolved with the new engine? Now it is designed for the deserts, not much humidity or rain there, but elsewhere, especially down South, a solution would be great!

EcoRaptor13

i have a 5-star-tuned 2013 3.5L EB, and i have experienced the moisture issue after a prolonged uphill freeway acceleration. 8 miles of uphill at 80mph. then a couple of hoots and i had a honda civic engine. the moisture is evaporated from the fast moving air going into the engine in any climate. I put a full race BOV and huge intercooler on it and it hasn't done it again. i think that helped, but it wasn't my intended point. I'm tired. the point is, moisture will accumulate in any climate, arid or humid, and a PCV bypass seems to be the common response by aftermarket manufacturers to quell this problem. it sure is a fast engine. I've always been a V-8 guy, but this thing is truly impressive and I'd hazard a guess that most of the haters haven't driven one yet. Honestly, I went to the dealer to buy a 6.2L v8 and test drove one. it was great. then he said, "just for sh*ts and giggles, wanna see this new ecoBoost?" so, having nothing but time to lose, I said "sure". we didn't make it out of the parking lot and I had made up my mind. the truck felt lighter, more peppy, and when i hit the throttle our heads hit the headrests in half the time as the V8. you could clearly feel the weight difference. but yes, it lacks the rumble dumble of the V8. heres some shots of my eco-raptor

ilkhan

Swap the turbos (raptor turbos are probably a little smaller than the GT turbos), swap for a bigger IC, and tune it and you can probably hit the 600HP mark easy. Turbo engines are really easy to add horsepower to. Just add boost.

WestsydeGuy

I am like you in this regard.
As a former Raptor owner I was all excited to buy a new one.
Then saw no V8 engine, and was very disappointed.
There will not be a new Raptor in my future unless Ford steps up to the plate with a 5.0 or 6.2 option.