Why is there so much hate for our generation F150s?
05-08-2012, 03:34 PM
#121
Numbers on paper aside, the 5.3 feels like a much stronger motor all around. Ive driven a 5.3 truck many a time. And lets not forget the VortecMax available in the 06 year.
Towing/torque aside, ive also never seen a bone stock 5.4 truck run a 1/4 touching the 14s, whereas ive seen an x-cab Z71 5.3 run a 14.9.
FX4s came standard with a 3.55
Z71s came standard with a 3.42
Theoretically the ford has the advantage (slightly)
Honestly though, if towing was a number one deciding factor i would have gotten a diesel. I just wanted an all round good truck that does good at everything and not best in one category.
Towing/torque aside, ive also never seen a bone stock 5.4 truck run a 1/4 touching the 14s, whereas ive seen an x-cab Z71 5.3 run a 14.9.
FX4s came standard with a 3.55
Z71s came standard with a 3.42
Theoretically the ford has the advantage (slightly)
Honestly though, if towing was a number one deciding factor i would have gotten a diesel. I just wanted an all round good truck that does good at everything and not best in one category.
we're discussing 1/2 ton truck motors, and people are bringing 1/4 mile times into it... so strange.. doesnt make any sense.
1/4 miles times have nothing to do with how effectively a truck will pull 5000 pounds
whats next, 0-60 times?
as far as rear ends, you could only get a 3.73 in the fx4 right?
im pretty sure you could get a 4.10 in the z71
05-08-2012, 07:38 PM
#122
Love my 01. Don't tell my 12 that. I have an 01 Supercrew with the offroad package and a virtually identical 12 Supercrew. If I could have bought a brand new 2001 again, I would have. For *me*, the 5.0 is the only part of the new truck that I find to be a worth while improvement. I recognize a pile of other improvements but for me...I simply don't buy a truck for those reasons. Leave the bidet and heated leather seats to the luxury cars. Odd that while city driving mpg is way improved, the highway mpg between the 12 year old 200k mile truck and the 2k mile 2 month old truck is nearly identical.
Anyway, that crash video you guys are passing around more specifically is of a supercab...which has no b pillar. I seriously doubt the Supercrews and standard cabs are going to look like that. I'm guessing that's why that is the only video you find.
Anyway, that crash video you guys are passing around more specifically is of a supercab...which has no b pillar. I seriously doubt the Supercrews and standard cabs are going to look like that. I'm guessing that's why that is the only video you find.
05-08-2012, 07:59 PM
#123
Senior Member
I'm not brand loyal at all except when it comes to diesels. i had a 98 chevy 1500 with 5.7 w/ auto and it had 283,000 miles on it and i had the fastest truck in my highschool. on the other hand I've seen te 5.4 go for 300,000 miles as well. My dad had a 5.3 in an 04 and it was pretty damn fast same truck is owned by my uncle and it has 335,000 miles on it. so you cant say ones a pos an the others not. They are both good trucks imo a 5.3 is for racing 5.4 is for towing.
05-08-2012, 08:04 PM
#124
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Yeah, they probably tested the supercab for that reason but if you watch the video I posted later of the 04-08 supercab you can see it fairs much much better in the cab department, that was my argument all along. Not saying the 97-03's arent safe at all, just compared back to back to a newer truck the difference is night and day. Also crash test standards change and even though the 97-03's did fair to the standards back then if they were tested to todays standards they would fail hard. Times change, stuff has gotten safer and thats a good thing, nothing against the older stuff, just not what Id pick to haul my family in.
05-08-2012, 08:08 PM
#125
Senior Member
My dad always says I've been stuck in them all (ford,dodge,chevy) and I've been pulled out by them all. i buy what i think is a good deal. i will not buy a dodge without a hemi though. but as for chevy and ford whatever good deal i find i get. your always gonna have people that think chevy sucks and vice versa. Which is for highschool i mean come on each one gets you were you need to go and have seat belts so shut the hell up.
05-08-2012, 08:13 PM
#126
Senior Member
Also crash test standards change and even though the 97-03's did fair to the standards back then if they were tested to todays standards they would fail hard. Times change, stuff has gotten safer and thats a good thing, nothing against the older stuff, just not what Id pick to haul my family in.
05-08-2012, 09:29 PM
#127
Eat. Sleep. Lift.
Originally Posted by Jacob.P93
My dad always says I've been stuck in them all (ford,dodge,chevy) and I've been pulled out by them all. i buy what i think is a good deal. i will not buy a dodge without a hemi though. but as for chevy and ford whatever good deal i find i get. your always gonna have people that think chevy sucks and vice versa. Which is for highschool i mean come on each one gets you were you need to go and have seat belts so shut the hell up.
05-08-2012, 09:33 PM
#130
sorry if this has been said already.
there is one main reason why this particular generation of F-series gets so much hatred
IT WAS REVOLUTIONARY IN THE TRUCK WORLD. it was round, and it offered many car like amenities that previously were not available in a truck.
it happens with pretty much any iconic vehicle.
take jeeps for instance, the CJ was always the best a jeep could ever be, but then the 87 wrangler and lower stance, its softer riding leaf springs and (still hated) square headlights. it was THE ANTI-CHRIST of jeeps. and just when the jeep masses had accepted the YJ wrangler as acceptable, the TJ wrangler came out. sure it had round headlights, but with its car-like COIL SPRINGS it was going to be the death blow to off-roading with an open top jeep. low and behold the TJ wrangler has now become the standard by which all modern 4x4's are compared to when it comes to off road capability, especially in out of the box performance.
now we have the current JK wrangler, and heaven forbid its minivan motor (which I have to say really is junk in a jeep when actually wheeling it) and the windshield and grille are raked back too much. and lets not even get into how much the purists hate the fact that its available as a soccer-mom 4dr. but look at pretty much every jeep parts ad you see now and what is pictured, a 4dr JK wrangler.
I have kinda got off on a tangent here, but it makes my point, whenever a VERY ICONIC vehicle revolutionizes a model (or in the case of the F150, an entire category of vehicles) there will ALWAYS be hatred, particularly among the purists, and those that have the models newer than said revolutionary models will also look down there noses because their particular models are "better"
there is one main reason why this particular generation of F-series gets so much hatred
IT WAS REVOLUTIONARY IN THE TRUCK WORLD. it was round, and it offered many car like amenities that previously were not available in a truck.
it happens with pretty much any iconic vehicle.
take jeeps for instance, the CJ was always the best a jeep could ever be, but then the 87 wrangler and lower stance, its softer riding leaf springs and (still hated) square headlights. it was THE ANTI-CHRIST of jeeps. and just when the jeep masses had accepted the YJ wrangler as acceptable, the TJ wrangler came out. sure it had round headlights, but with its car-like COIL SPRINGS it was going to be the death blow to off-roading with an open top jeep. low and behold the TJ wrangler has now become the standard by which all modern 4x4's are compared to when it comes to off road capability, especially in out of the box performance.
now we have the current JK wrangler, and heaven forbid its minivan motor (which I have to say really is junk in a jeep when actually wheeling it) and the windshield and grille are raked back too much. and lets not even get into how much the purists hate the fact that its available as a soccer-mom 4dr. but look at pretty much every jeep parts ad you see now and what is pictured, a 4dr JK wrangler.
I have kinda got off on a tangent here, but it makes my point, whenever a VERY ICONIC vehicle revolutionizes a model (or in the case of the F150, an entire category of vehicles) there will ALWAYS be hatred, particularly among the purists, and those that have the models newer than said revolutionary models will also look down there noses because their particular models are "better"