can a FPDM cause bogging down
#1
can a FPDM cause bogging down
2004 FX4 126k. I've been dealing with these 2 issues lately. Lean codes and bogging down. Don't know if the 2 are related but the bogging down and falling flat on its face are driving me nuts. The symptoms are varied. Sometimes it does it when pulling out with a lot of peddle and other times while moving and going to accelerate it hits a flat spot around 2000rpms but always seems to slowly come back up to speed when I stay on the gas. I put a dorman FPDM in about 3 yrs ago and was wondering if that could be something I should consider looking at. The truck starts fine otherwise. All filters were recently replaced, foam around air box etc
#2
LightningRod
@Tommy J
It could...
Laws of Hydrodynamics dictates that the amount of fuel delivered thru an injector while inergized for a specific period of time - is directly perportional to the fuel pressure "ACROSS" the injector.
The FRP Sensor senses fuel rail pressure (relative to intake vacuum, ie: ACROSS the injectors), and provides positive closed loop feedback signal to PCM so it can adjust fuel pressure via the FPDM. The FDPM provides % duty cycle square wave voltage to the actual fuel pump inside the fuel tank - causing IT to modulate the fuel fuel pump output - through fuel filter - into the fuel rail.
THUS - if anything in that closed loop system is 'out of wack' - it could proportionally degrade fuel delivery 'THRU' the injectors, and cause the PCM to lengthen STFT trying to correct / compensate for it. Bogging could be the result of lack of fuel (energy). LEAN codes occur strictly because LTFT+STFT fuel trims are being lengthened more than 30% to compensate for oxygen (lack of fuel ratio) in the exhaust.
So, I would say the FPDM 'COULD' cause fuel delivery deficiency and thus 'bogging down' AND lean codes.
Monitor Fuel Trims, Fuel Pump Duty Cycle, Fuel Rail Pressure.
To diagnose things, I like to challenge certain sensors to determine what happens an if they are functioning as designed. /// While monitoring STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure - remove vacuum line to the FRP sensor and plug it. Connect a short piece of vacuum line to the FRP sensor itself and _suck_ (and _Blow_) on it.--- Observe STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure ///
It could...
Laws of Hydrodynamics dictates that the amount of fuel delivered thru an injector while inergized for a specific period of time - is directly perportional to the fuel pressure "ACROSS" the injector.
The FRP Sensor senses fuel rail pressure (relative to intake vacuum, ie: ACROSS the injectors), and provides positive closed loop feedback signal to PCM so it can adjust fuel pressure via the FPDM. The FDPM provides % duty cycle square wave voltage to the actual fuel pump inside the fuel tank - causing IT to modulate the fuel fuel pump output - through fuel filter - into the fuel rail.
THUS - if anything in that closed loop system is 'out of wack' - it could proportionally degrade fuel delivery 'THRU' the injectors, and cause the PCM to lengthen STFT trying to correct / compensate for it. Bogging could be the result of lack of fuel (energy). LEAN codes occur strictly because LTFT+STFT fuel trims are being lengthened more than 30% to compensate for oxygen (lack of fuel ratio) in the exhaust.
So, I would say the FPDM 'COULD' cause fuel delivery deficiency and thus 'bogging down' AND lean codes.
Monitor Fuel Trims, Fuel Pump Duty Cycle, Fuel Rail Pressure.
To diagnose things, I like to challenge certain sensors to determine what happens an if they are functioning as designed. /// While monitoring STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure - remove vacuum line to the FRP sensor and plug it. Connect a short piece of vacuum line to the FRP sensor itself and _suck_ (and _Blow_) on it.--- Observe STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure ///
#3
05 5.4l 3v s.crew lariat
if you are using torque pro_ fuel pressure and trims can be monitored
really good tool to see if thats whats happening .I have had the dorman fpdm for years ,it seems to have a good reputation .However the gasket in the connector to it caused me grief by causing intermittent connection but I finally pulled rubber gasket out and that was years ago . Never resealed it, been thru more than a few floods from hurricanes ..
#4
@Tommy J
It could...
Laws of Hydrodynamics dictates that the amount of fuel delivered thru an injector while inergized for a specific period of time - is directly perportional to the fuel pressure "ACROSS" the injector.
The FRP Sensor senses fuel rail pressure (relative to intake vacuum, ie: ACROSS the injectors), and provides positive closed loop feedback signal to PCM so it can adjust fuel pressure via the FPDM. The FDPM provides % duty cycle square wave voltage to the actual fuel pump inside the fuel tank - causing IT to modulate the fuel fuel pump output - through fuel filter - into the fuel rail.
THUS - if anything in that closed loop system is 'out of wack' - it could proportionally degrade fuel delivery 'THRU' the injectors, and cause the PCM to lengthen STFT trying to correct / compensate for it. Bogging could be the result of lack of fuel (energy). LEAN codes occur strictly because LTFT+STFT fuel trims are being lengthened more than 30% to compensate for oxygen (lack of fuel ratio) in the exhaust.
So, I would say the FPDM 'COULD' cause fuel delivery deficiency and thus 'bogging down' AND lean codes.
Monitor Fuel Trims, Fuel Pump Duty Cycle, Fuel Rail Pressure.
To diagnose things, I like to challenge certain sensors to determine what happens an if they are functioning as designed. /// While monitoring STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure - remove vacuum line to the FRP sensor and plug it. Connect a short piece of vacuum line to the FRP sensor itself and _suck_ (and _Blow_) on it.--- Observe STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure ///
It could...
Laws of Hydrodynamics dictates that the amount of fuel delivered thru an injector while inergized for a specific period of time - is directly perportional to the fuel pressure "ACROSS" the injector.
The FRP Sensor senses fuel rail pressure (relative to intake vacuum, ie: ACROSS the injectors), and provides positive closed loop feedback signal to PCM so it can adjust fuel pressure via the FPDM. The FDPM provides % duty cycle square wave voltage to the actual fuel pump inside the fuel tank - causing IT to modulate the fuel fuel pump output - through fuel filter - into the fuel rail.
THUS - if anything in that closed loop system is 'out of wack' - it could proportionally degrade fuel delivery 'THRU' the injectors, and cause the PCM to lengthen STFT trying to correct / compensate for it. Bogging could be the result of lack of fuel (energy). LEAN codes occur strictly because LTFT+STFT fuel trims are being lengthened more than 30% to compensate for oxygen (lack of fuel ratio) in the exhaust.
So, I would say the FPDM 'COULD' cause fuel delivery deficiency and thus 'bogging down' AND lean codes.
Monitor Fuel Trims, Fuel Pump Duty Cycle, Fuel Rail Pressure.
To diagnose things, I like to challenge certain sensors to determine what happens an if they are functioning as designed. /// While monitoring STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure - remove vacuum line to the FRP sensor and plug it. Connect a short piece of vacuum line to the FRP sensor itself and _suck_ (and _Blow_) on it.--- Observe STFT and Fuel Rail Pressure ///