Did complete cam phaser repair, worse than before!
03-25-2013, 02:10 PM
#51
Just had a thought, we all had phasers that didn't lock? When the phaser doesn't lock it chatters back and forth on the vanes almost like an impact wrench action, this translates to back and forth loading on the chain that gets impressed onto the tensioner via the guides. I think this rapid harsh back and forth loading when the phaser doesn't lock is what is creating the negative pressure to pull the o ring into the slot on the cloyes tensioner?
03-25-2013, 02:39 PM
#52
Can you post a picture of the front of the factory phasers when you get them in? I am curious as to how the pick up wheel (reluctor) is attached. The original ford one I had had roll pins and one was missing and this was causing the knock sound. I think they have made improvements.
I feel your pain good luck.
I feel your pain good luck.
03-25-2013, 03:09 PM
#53
Just had a thought, we all had phasers that didn't lock? When the phaser doesn't lock it chatters back and forth on the vanes almost like an impact wrench action, this translates to back and forth loading on the chain that gets impressed onto the tensioner via the guides. I think this rapid harsh back and forth loading when the phaser doesn't lock is what is creating the negative pressure to pull the o ring into the slot on the cloyes tensioner?
03-25-2013, 03:21 PM
#54
Something I'm wondering...Is it possible that I'm breaking the phaser lock by tightening the pahser bolt while holding the cam shaft with vice grips? The factory tool bolts to the cover bolts and holds the phaser by the cam gear. What do you think?
03-25-2013, 04:43 PM
#55
I think the o ring migrates into the slot when torquing down the tensioner because nothing is holding it there. It's probably more likely if there is some oil on the mating surface.
Something I'm wondering...Is it possible that I'm breaking the phaser lock by tightening the pahser bolt while holding the cam shaft with vice grips? The factory tool bolts to the cover bolts and holds the phaser by the cam gear. What do you think?
Something I'm wondering...Is it possible that I'm breaking the phaser lock by tightening the pahser bolt while holding the cam shaft with vice grips? The factory tool bolts to the cover bolts and holds the phaser by the cam gear. What do you think?
The bolt goes into the cam so holding the cam with vice grips would put no force on the locking pin. Does that make sense? Google cam phaser images if you see it apart it will make sense.
03-25-2013, 04:47 PM
#56
I think the o ring migrates into the slot when torquing down the tensioner because nothing is holding it there. It's probably more likely if there is some oil on the mating surface.
Something I'm wondering...Is it possible that I'm breaking the phaser lock by tightening the pahser bolt while holding the cam shaft with vice grips? The factory tool bolts to the cover bolts and holds the phaser by the cam gear. What do you think?
Something I'm wondering...Is it possible that I'm breaking the phaser lock by tightening the pahser bolt while holding the cam shaft with vice grips? The factory tool bolts to the cover bolts and holds the phaser by the cam gear. What do you think?
03-25-2013, 09:27 PM
#57
Checked the phaser again tonight and its not locking sometimes. Got a lot of other things to take care of but I'm leaning toward ripping everything off and going back with all ford.
03-25-2013, 10:06 PM
#58
Yeah I was thinking when the unlocked phaser was slapping around it created a suction when the tensioner suddenly comes unloaded and the spring pops it out? I guess it don't matter.
The bolt goes into the cam so holding the cam with vice grips would put no force on the locking pin. Does that make sense? Google cam phaser images if you see it apart it will make sense.
The bolt goes into the cam so holding the cam with vice grips would put no force on the locking pin. Does that make sense? Google cam phaser images if you see it apart it will make sense.
I took my old factory phaser apart and I see what you mean about not being able to break the lock. Actually, the factory tool puts more pressure on the lock by holding the cam gear.
03-25-2013, 10:07 PM
#59
03-28-2013, 12:11 PM
#60
Can you post a picture of the front of the factory phasers when you get them in? I am curious as to how the pick up wheel (reluctor) is attached. The original ford one I had had roll pins and one was missing and this was causing the knock sound. I think they have made improvements.
I feel your pain good luck.
I feel your pain good luck.
