Tradesman

The 5.0 Coyote is gutless at lower RPMs as I mentioned in my first post. At mid-range RPMs it finally builds power. My loaner only had a Class III hitch, not the Class IV that I have on both my trucks and it certainly didn't have a trailer brake controller so I couldn't tell you what how well this new 5.0 Coyote would perform when hauling a heavy trailer up a mountain highway. Also, I only had it (thankfully!) for a day. I would suspect that the awesome 6R80 helps the 5.0 Coyote make significant gains in performance during towing.

I never had a chance to drive the Ecoboost, the loaner they gave me was a base model XL. I would really like a chance to drive one and evaluate it, but my next truck will be a SuperDuty anyhow.

Both my trucks are slightly upgraded, but nothing serious. More brakes and exhaust than anything and neither of them have tuners.

To me high RPM is 5000RPM+ where the motor is screaming. I stay away from that end of the spectrum whether driving empty or hauling a trailer.

If you have a tuner on your Ecoboost then you must be pushing 400HP or so. From what I have heard from other Ecoboost owners, there is some serious power to be unleashed by a tuner alone. My trailer isn't 20-feet long but it is heavier than your trailer, and no way can either of my trucks move it without pushing 3800RPM+. That is some serious torque you have in that beast, and as I mentioned before that 6R80 is a fantastic gearbox.

Hey brother, if the 5.0 Coyote works out for then that's great, I'm not here to bash anyone who bought the truck at all. I'm just giving my impression from someone who tow/hauls daily and someone who owns an F-150 and a Ram 1500. You should see the thread I posted in the Ram Forumz where I am an active member. Boy did they take that one as if it were up the *****.

One thing I gotta say about the 5.0 Coyote is it sounds awesome! I don't find it annoying at all.

In regards to performance? Or are you talking reliability, fuel consumption, etc? If you have had better luck with other motors then that's great. The 5.4 Triton is a far better motor than the 5.7 Hemi non-MDS when it comes to fuel economy and overall power delivery. The 5.7 Hemi non-MDS is far more reliable and has a s**tload more torque off idle. The 5.0 Coyote has power but you better rev the b***h up if you want to get it. Just like I mentioned on my thread, I drove a lightweight XL and I still needed to step hard on the gas. Maybe 3.73:1 gears would have helped, but I doubt it.

If anything makes up for the 5.0 Coyote's lack of low end torque, or at least tries to make up for it, it's the awesome 6R80. I just can't begin to explain how fantastic that gearbox is compared to the 4R75W or the 545RFE.

Tradesman

I would know more about driving spikes and using the proper tools and equipment than you ever will. And if you're wondering why I'm using two half tonne trucks to do the work that a 3/4 tonne truck would do it's basically comes down to business mathematics. If you don't know business and you don't know mathematics I'll explain it to you. If you can spend $20,000 on a vehicle that will perform almost as well as a $50,000 vehicle then you will spend the money on a lower priced vehicle. If you take variables such as timing, financing, performance, cost of ownership, maintenance and downtime into the equation and the $20,000 vehicle works out for you then you will purchase that $20,000 vehicle. That's what I did, and my business has been very successful by owning two vehicles that can operate almost as well as $50,000 vehicle.

Now those figures are not realistic as I paid far less for my F-150 and Ram 1500 than $20,000 and a new SuperDuty is around $70,000. Those figures are set as an example.

As a business owner as well as the primary operator of both vehicles, I can do the tasks that I need to accomplish safely and quickly with the vehicles I own and the way that they are set up. Obviously I can do the job better with a diesel, but since that isn't a financial option for me at the moment and considering how successful I have been at using my F-150 and Ram 1500 then I would continue to do so. 8,000lbs is nothing when you have the proper set up and do it properly. And I do it every day without any issues.

Any idiot knows the difference between saving money and wasting it. Maybe even you?

Tradesman

Wow man, that's not cool.

Brother I can't go from a loaded FX4 to an XL. That's like me losing my lead hand and having a labourer as a replacement.

The 5.0 Coyote is mismatched to the 6R80. Great gearbox, but disappointing engine. Not to knock on what you have though, your truck rocks. I was just expecting a whole lot more power. I have the old 5.4 Triton rated at 300HP. Since I have 200,000km with busted cam phasers and failing coils I probably have something like 260HP. The 5.0 Coyote didn't want to take off nearly as well as either of my high mileage trucks. I was just hoping for a lot more juice. The juice comes, but you really gotta put your foot into it!

Oh yeah, those Pirellis are s**t tires. BFG makes an awesome tire. I got them on my Ram 1500.

Tradesman

I never mentioned 1/4 mile times or 0-100km/h or any type of statistic like that. I specifically noted that I wouldn't quote those at all because this driving impression was for those of us who use our trucks for work, not simply hanging out at Starbucks talking about who's got the fastest 1/4 mile times. The 6R80 is an awesome gearbox that would spank either my 4R75W or 545RFE and when mated to the 5.0 Coyote I'm certain the new F-150 is a much faster truck. I wouldn't be confident that the new F-150 with the 5.0 Coyote would be able to suit my work needs as my current F-150 does. That's what this thread is based on.

I don't "claim" to haul a heavy trailer. I do haul a heavy trailer, period. If you want pics of it check out Express Custom Trailers, based in Parksville, BC. They custom made a trailer that has a GTWR of 10,000lbs. Neither of my trucks would be suitable for hauling that kind of weight so I limit it to 8,000lbs. And I have jobsite all over the province, and I take the Coquihalla Highway with this trailer regularly. If you don't know what the Coquihalla Highway is, check out "Highway Thru Hell" on Discovery. I take that very same highway.

If you don't do the same kind of work with your trucks then you don't know what the meaning of "capable" is. I'm not going to bash anyone on this forum and call them an idiot for taking their trucks offroad in severe conditions that were meant for a Raptor rather than one of our trucks. When I see another brother on this forum jacking up his truck with a lift kit and taking it offroading, I congratulate him because he's having fun doing what he wants to do to his truck. I do what I want to do to my truck, and that's make money.

I don't have a lift kit. I don't have mudders. I don't have anything fancy like that, because my trucks are tools for profit. Without the proper tool, my business won't profit. Simple equation, eh?

When you call me an idiot for using my truck the way you would personally use a diesel you can basically tell everyone on this forum who has put time, money and effort into upgrading their trucks into offroad beasts that they're idiots as well. Everyone has their own use for their trucks, and as long as they're safe about it then it isn't your concern.

Thanks brother! Hope all is well with your ride.

I never once presented my opinion as gospel. It is an honest write up on my driving impression. And what makes you think that my dislike for the new turn signal is immature? So I don't like it, that makes me immature? In the the time I've been on the forum contributing to other members what I ever posted anything immature? I think not. If you think that it functions perfectly, great. Good for you, maybe you're older and more wise than me.

Take a trip to your local dealer, drive a new Ram, a new Chevy and a new Ford. Hell maybe drive a new Tundra while you're at it. Then spend time to evaluate the trucks and possibly do a write up to contribute to the other members on this forum. And then on your thread I'll call you an idiot like Bill called me an idiot, and I'll call you immature and tell you that your opinions are gospel. But then again I'm really not immature or an idiot so I wouldn't lower myself to do such a thing. The numerous thanks I have on my sig is from other members who appreciate the helpful things I have done since being a member here.

This thread wasn't meant to **** anyone off, it's my feel for the new truck and my likes and dislikes about it.

Tradesman

Too bad this thread is getting out of hand. Any mods up to locking this one up? I'm not going to apologize for this one. I never called anyone immature or an idiot. People get pissed off and offended because I didn't like the newer XL trim, new turn signals or the performance of the 5.0 Coyote.

Funny thing is I posted this exact thread on the Ram Forumz site that I visit and it never got out of hand.

kozal01

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Im closing this per the OP's request. Its too bad you guys cant have a discussion without getting personal.