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NASSTY 08-04-2014 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631898)
Ymenski,

Why don't you run over to FordF150.net and get me banned there too. You already did.

Looks like you did it yourself.

Big Muskie 08-04-2014 04:14 PM

Don't shut it down, this is good stuff. You don't want to read it, turn the page.

FordForever1961 08-04-2014 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by dosman (Post 3631920)
And yet the OP did buy one. Seems like he's perfectly capable of arguing with himself.

Also, seems that his questions would have been better timed and addressed with the dealer. I can visualize his arse getting booted out the door, however.

You confuse the truth, evidence and motivation with circumstances.

The truth is that we are between model years, I wanted an 8' box and I didn't want a white truck. I had everyone looking, Ford, Geico, aaa and myself on the internet. This was as close as I could get. I do regret my decision. Too bad people argue so much ridiculous nonsense.

KILOFINAL 08-04-2014 04:15 PM

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FordForever1961 08-04-2014 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by NASSTY (Post 3631934)
Looks like you did it yourself.


No. Ymenski went over there. Look it up.

FordForever1961 08-04-2014 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by KILOFINAL (Post 3631947)
Speaking of "evasion".....your proctologist called. He said he wants to see you

I thought you were my proctologist...well, I am certain you have something to do with that area...like the planet near jupiter.

sknyfats 08-04-2014 04:18 PM

Ok, I'll play along in this thread - and I'm gonna quote your own words that YOU posted, ok chief? And I'll preface this by suggesting YOU do some research - take a few minutes yourself - and find the answers you are (or likely aren't) looking for. The facts are all very easy to find. Unlike your weird blurbs & opinions...and I'll assume you're referring to the F-150 with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine - and not a Taurus, Lincoln or some other vehicle with an EcoBoost...the details are important. And F-150's - EcoBoost or not - come in many different configurations - so, as they say "your mileage may vary".



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
Is the ecoboost getting better mileage?

Better mileage than what? A garbage truck? Definitely. A Prius? No. Than most pickup trucks in its class? Yes. Not all - but most. Look it up. And with model year 2015, I believe it'll be top in its class with the different Eco engine configurations and the lighter GVW.



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
Is the ecoboost a heavy hauler?

Hmmmmm - mine hauls a lot of heavy stuff - so I'd say yeah, it's definitely a heavy hauler. As TJPlatinum pointed out, you need to define what you consider a "heavy hauler". As far as hauling capabilities in its class - pretty sure it's right up there in the top 3, depending on your particular configuration. Let's keep in mind - Ford also makes the Super Duty class of trucks. So if a standard full size pickup isn't cutting the mustard for you - you should probably consider moving to the next class because me thinks nothing in this class will satisfy your massive heavy hauling needs.



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
So what are you getting?
1. The potential for stumbling as the condensation gets sucked in.
2. Ignition problems requiring that you reduce the plug gap.
3. Coking on the intake valves caused by the heat from the turbos.

This quote is just full of ignorance. Not calling you stupid - but ignorant. Do even a LITTLE bit of research & you'll find how way off you are on all of this.
1. There was an issue with F-150's built prior to 4th quarter of 2012. An intercooler update has resolved nearly every one of them that were caused by this specific issue. There are some that are still unresolved I'm sure - but are caused by different issues. As it stands today, there is no "potential for stumbling" from "condensation" on Eco F-150's (at least not for those built after the date, and those built before the date that have gotten the TSB applied, such as myself).


2. There is no known "ignition problem" requiring plug gaps to be changed. I can attest that when I checked & replaced my plugs (just for grins - no problem or real reason other than I was planning on picking up a tuner) - I gave the new ones a tighter gap than stock - and the stock where gapped in varying measurements. I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure if you check most vehicle plug gaps - you'll find the same inconsistencies. Additionally, yes, it's true some have experienced some misfires and what not - and simply re-gapping the plugs resolved their issue. I wouldn't call this a widespread "problem" by any means - and doubt it falls outside of the norm for any other manufactured vehicle that is mass produced.


3. I'm not going to get all technical on this one - but you're a bit off base on your statement about coking. It's not simply "...caused by heat from the turbos..." - nor is it any type of "problem" that is widespread with the EcoBoost engine. This engine has been out since, what - 2009? And no shops or dealerships are seeing mass quantifies of vehicles - low or high mileage - having issues due to "coking". The "coking" you're referring to is an inherent problem that occurs with Direct Injection engines - however - Ford (and other manufacturers) believe they have engineered their engines to not suffer from anywhere near the amount of coking that previous generations of DI engines have suffered. And from what I can see (anecdotal evidence) - it is only very very few out of many thousands of vehicles that have had coking issues which caused problems on Eco engines. If you want to read more on that hype - I'm sure you can catch a "catch can" thread or 5 on this alleged issue - or view a dealership tech's youtube videos about what her believes is a "big problem" - yet he is only speaking about HIS OWN personal LOW MILEAGE vehicle in BOTH videos he made. He's not an engineer - nor does he have any special relationship with engineers. He's a dealer tech. No disrespect to other dealer techs. He's just not up the ladder or even senior at his dealership - so why people give this guy such credence is beyond me. He provides no other examples of this "issue" and simply repeats what another Ford tech up-the-chain verbally passed along to him on a phone call or two. Big whoop. That means practically nothing. And there's too much anecdotal evidence that supports the opposite of what this guy claims anyway!



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
The coking is my concern.

Is it? Really? It's not the hauling capability? It's not all the other nonsense you've spewed? It's not because you are upset that you "let yourself" get talked into making a decision with your dealer and just have a sour taste in your mouth because you allowed someone to convince you of something you didn't want to do?!??



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
This is my work truck and I don't tow.

So what're you worried about "heavy hauling" capabilities? Are you hauling around sand or shingles in the bed??? Talk about contradictions...



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
It is carbon build up caused by excessive heat. Ford is trying to figure out how to deal with it on the intake valves.

See my previous explanation about coking. It is not simply carbon build up caused by heat. Heat is not the issue whatsoever. It's the placement of the fuel injection. A little fuel (and a little bit of other stuff that - which is what the catch cans are supposed to prevent) gets on the valves. They are hot (by design - which is not an issue). So whatever is on them eventually gets baked. Again - expected, based on the DI engine design. An issue? For the vast majority of EcoBoost engines - trucks & cars a like - hardly.


Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
Does anyone here use the Ecoboost for heavy-hauling on a regular basis and have over 100k miles?

Many do, yes. Might've been more beneficial for you to have opened a thread titled "Who has over 100k & hauls daily on their EcoBoost?". Linger longer buddy.



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
Many people are happy, some are unhappy and I am undecided.

No, you're not undecided. You're unhappy & said so in your thread post and in the way you've spoken from your very first post in this thread:

Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
"Why would anyone buy an EcoBoost--What a scam!"





Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
All I am doing is pointing out the real problems and limitations of the ecoboost.

Again, no, you're not. You'red ticked off for whatever reason - and you're tossing out nonsense without any references to facts, figures, numbers, pictures, links, etc. Again - I'm not going to do your work here. Its all easy to find. So far - I have heard you mention only 2 items that have even a small percentage of truth to them. The rest are your half cocked opinion. And you're slamming people for your perceived slights. Way cool dude.



Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631785)
While yours is performing "flawlessly" the ecoboost is rated "below average" in reliability by Consumer reports.

So, let me get this straight - you base your vehicle purchases solely on Consumer Reports information?!?!? I'll try to remain tactful here (but its definitely a challenge - eh-hehm!).
First: Specifically what in the Consumer Reports ratings do you not like? Now, I'm hoping you're not simply going by the articles writing about Consumer Reports' article - but that you have a subscription to Consumer Reports and have seen the actual ratings & reports. What's that - no? Didn't think so.
Secondly: Might I suggest you do a little more research than just using Consumer Reports to identify whether or not a vehicle is going to be reliable or not? Honestly - for anything - you need to open your mind, be objective, and gather info from multiple sources these days. Don't even rely on just this forum either (although lots of folks here do provide facts, figures, images and links to/from reputable sources for testing, surveys, etc).

Lastly - the reliability ratings they do are what are referred to as predictable reliability ratings. Know what that means? Me neither. So when you sign up for Consumer Reports to get the whole story - do me a favor and let me know what exactly that means. For what its worth - nearly all of the US made full size pickups have poor reliability ratings - in case you weren't aware.


Welp - I think that's good enough. I'm out. Have fun. I'm going to go drive my gas hog - provided it starts of course - and hope it doesn't blow up on me, being that its unreliable and has such a major coking problem and what not ;)

FordForever1961 08-04-2014 04:19 PM

Look at that 11 pages in a couple of hours because someone doesn't like their new ecoboost. Doesn't it make you wonder?????????????????????????

KILOFINAL 08-04-2014 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by FordForever1961 (Post 3631963)
Look at that 11 pages in a couple of hours because someone doesn't like their new ecoboost. Doesn't it make you wonder?????????????????????????

Yeah, it makes me wonder if you took your meds today

FordForever1961 08-04-2014 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by sknyfats (Post 3631958)
Ok, I'll play along in this thread - and I'm gonna quote your own words that YOU posted, ok chief? And I'll preface this by suggesting YOU do some research - take a few minutes yourself - and find the answers you are (or likely aren't) looking for. The facts are all very easy to find. Unlike your weird blurbs & opinions...and I'll assume you're referring to the F-150 with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine - and not a Taurus, Lincoln or some other vehicle with an EcoBoost...the details are important. And F-150's - EcoBoost or not - come in many different configurations - so, as they say "your mileage may vary".



Better mileage than what? A garbage truck? Definitely. A Prius? No. Than most pickup trucks in its class? Yes. Not all - but most. Look it up. And with model year 2015, I believe it'll be top in its class with the different Eco engine configurations and the lighter GVW.



Hmmmmm - mine hauls a lot of heavy stuff - so I'd say yeah, it's definitely a heavy hauler. As TJPlatinum pointed out, you need to define what you consider a "heavy hauler". As far as hauling capabilities in its class - pretty sure it's right up there in the top 3, depending on your particular configuration. Let's keep in mind - Ford also makes the Super Duty class of trucks. So if a standard full size pickup isn't cutting the mustard for you - you should probably consider moving to the next class because me thinks nothing in this class will satisfy your massive heavy hauling needs.



This quote is just full of ignorance. Not calling you stupid - but ignorant. Do even a LITTLE bit of research & you'll find how way off you are on all of this.
1. There was an issue with F-150's built prior to 4th quarter of 2012. An intercooler update has resolved nearly every one of them that were caused by this specific issue. There are some that are still unresolved I'm sure - but are caused by different issues. As it stands today, there is no "potential for stumbling" from "condensation" on Eco F-150's (at least not for those built after the date that have gotten the TSB applied, such as myself).


2. There is no "widespread" ignition problem requiring plug gaps to be changed. I too can attest that when I checked & replaced my plugs (just for grins really) - I gave the new ones a tighter gap than stock - and the stock where gapped in varying measurements. I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure if you check most vehicle plug gaps - you'll find the same inconsistencies. Additionally, yes, it's true some have experienced some misfires and what not - and simply re-gapping the plugs resolved their issue. I wouldn't call this a widespread "problem" by any means - and doubt it falls outside of the norm for any other manufactured vehicle that is mass produced.


3. I'm not going to get all technical on this one - but you're a bit off base on your statement about coking. It's not simply "...caused by heat from the turbos..." - nor is it any type of "problem" that is widespread with the EcoBoost engine. This engine has been out since, what - 2009? And no shops or dealerships are seeing mass quantifies of vehicles - low or high mileage - having issues due to "coking". The "coking" you're referring to is an inherent problem that occurs with Direct Injection engines - however - Ford (and other manufacturers) believe they have engineered their engines to not suffer from anywhere near the amount of coking that previous generations of DI engines have suffered. And from what I can see (anecdotal evidence) - it is only very very few out of many thousands of vehicles that have had coking issues which caused problems on Eco engines. If you want to read more on that hype - I'm sure you can catch a "catch can" thread or 5 on this alleged issue - or view a dealership tech's youtube videos about what her believes is a "big problem" - yet he is only speaking about HIS OWN personal LOW MILEAGE vehicle in BOTH videos he made. He's not an engineer - nor does he have any special relationship with engineers. He's a dealer tech. No disrespect to other dealer techs. He's just not up the ladder or even senior at his dealership - so why people give this guy such credence is beyond me. He provides no other examples of this "issue" and simply repeats what another Ford tech up-the-chain verbally passed along to him on a phone call or two. Big whoop. That means practically nothing. And there's too much anecdotal evidence that supports the opposite of what this guy claims anyway!



Is it? Really? It's not the hauling capability? It's not all the other nonsense you've spewed? It's not because you are upset that you "let yourself" get talked into making a decision with your dealer and just have a sour taste in your mouth because you allowed someone to convince you of something you didn't want to do?!??



So what're you worried about "heavy hauling" capabilities? Are you hauling around sand or shingles in the bed??? Talk about contradictions...



See my previous explanation about coking. It is not simply carbon build up caused by heat. Heat is not the issue whatsoever. It's the placement of the fuel injection. A little fuel (and a little bit of other stuff that - which is what the catch cans are supposed to prevent) gets on the valves. They are hot (by design - which is not an issue). So whatever is on them eventually gets baked. Again - expected, based on the DI engine design. An issue? For the vast majority of EcoBoost engines - trucks & cars a like - hardly.


Many do, yes. Might've been more beneficial for you to have opened a thread titled "Who has over 100k & hauls daily on their EcoBoost?". Linger longer buddy.



No, you're not undecided. You're unhappy & said so in your thread post and in the way you've spoken from your very first post in this thread:






Again, no, you're not. You'red ticked off for whatever reason - and you're tossing out nonsense without any references to facts, figures, numbers, pictures, links, etc. Again - I'm not going to do your work here. Its all easy to find. So far - I have heard you mention only 2 items that have even a small percentage of truth to them. The rest are your half cocked opinion. And you're slamming people for your perceived slights. Way cool dude.



So, let me get this straight - you base your vehicle purchases solely on Consumer Reports information?!?!? I'll try to remain tactful here (but its definitely a challenge - eh-hehm!).
First: Specifically what in the Consumer Reports ratings do you not like? Now, I'm hoping you're not simply going by the articles writing about Consumer Reports' article - but that you have a subscription to Consumer Reports and have seen the actual ratings & reports. What's that - no? Didn't think so.
Secondly: Might I suggest you do a little more research than just using Consumer Reports to identify whether or not a vehicle is going to be reliable or not? Honestly - for anything - you need to open your mind, be objective, and gather info from multiple sources these days. Don't even rely on just this forum either (although lots of folks here do provide facts, figures, images and links to/from reputable sources for testing, surveys, etc).

Lastly - the reliability ratings they do are what are referred to as predictable reliability ratings. Know what that means? Me neither. So when you sign up for Consumer Reports to get the whole story - do me a favor and let me know what exactly that means. For what its worth - nearly all of the US made full size pickups have poor reliability ratings - in case you weren't aware.


Welp - I think that's good enough. I'm out. Have fun. I'm going to go drive my gas hog - provided it starts of course - and hope it doesn't blow up on me, being that its unreliable and has such a major coking problem and what not ;)


Without addressing all of your deceptions, please tell everyone who you work for and how it is that you have time for this.


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