Which truck would you buy?
05-14-2013, 01:56 PM
#91
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Isert89, stop editing your posts.
05-14-2013, 02:06 PM
#93
USN Retired 1992-2012
Richard
05-14-2013, 02:07 PM
#94
Consider the main body consumer. If the Eco was listed as a base motor when it came out, how well would it have sold? I'm referring to the typical "I want a truck" customer who doesn't dig into any specifics. Do you think Ford could have advertised the 5.0l to be the "better" motor? The way ford advertises their vehicles (or any company for any product) is just a big curtain I push off to the side. Most people do not tend to do that. If the salesmen says something is better and the price is a little higher, then most people get stary eyed over it and instantly desire it. Like I said, this is just my perspective. So bringing in how Ford sells a truck is not much on a arguing point.
I quoted you but I'm referring to the topic, not your specific quote.
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05-14-2013, 02:18 PM
#95
Inebriated 4 ur safety
Sorry isert89, but no matter how you put it, the EB is more powerful stock for stock. It is what it is and opinions can't change it.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04...8-engines.html
This does not make the 5.0L inferior to the EB since you, and others, had their own reasons for buying the 5.0L over the EB. Each person has their own reasons as to why they chose their engine. Some reasons are valid, some reasons are plain old ignorance going off of misinformation, and some are just cause they felt like it. Either one you choose, just be glad it's in a Ford.
I know it"s your opinion, but I think it was a little uncalled for. The 5.0L has every right to be in a truck just as much as the EB does.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04...8-engines.html
This does not make the 5.0L inferior to the EB since you, and others, had their own reasons for buying the 5.0L over the EB. Each person has their own reasons as to why they chose their engine. Some reasons are valid, some reasons are plain old ignorance going off of misinformation, and some are just cause they felt like it. Either one you choose, just be glad it's in a Ford.
I know it"s your opinion, but I think it was a little uncalled for. The 5.0L has every right to be in a truck just as much as the EB does.
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isert89 (05-14-2013)
05-14-2013, 02:45 PM
#96
The best advice I received on this forum when I was deciding this two months ago, was to simply drive both. So many suggested that. So that's exactly what I did. It is fact the Ecco has more power. I really like how it drove and would have been very happy with it. But it was the 5.0 that put the smile on my face. It is strictly opinion. You have to get what you like. I'm ok knowing there a ton of F-150's out there with Eccos that are faster than my truck. But I don't race my truck. I like getting in my truck and getting that rumble. Just screams American.
So I will give you the same advice that others have shown the courtesy of giving me, drive both man. Get the one YOU like. They're both great motors, hence the long, heated debates. I'm not hating on the Ecco. I liked it. I just ended up liking the 5.0 a little bit more.
So I will give you the same advice that others have shown the courtesy of giving me, drive both man. Get the one YOU like. They're both great motors, hence the long, heated debates. I'm not hating on the Ecco. I liked it. I just ended up liking the 5.0 a little bit more.
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05-14-2013, 02:53 PM
#97
The best advice I received on this forum when I was deciding this two months ago, was to simply drive both. So many suggested that. So that's exactly what I did. It is fact the Ecco has more power. I really like how it drove and would have been very happy with it. But it was the 5.0 that put the smile on my face. It is strictly opinion. You have to get what you like. I'm ok knowing there a ton of F-150's out there with Eccos that are faster than my truck. But I don't race my truck. I like getting in my truck and getting that rumble. Just screams American.
So I will give you the same advice that others have shown the courtesy of giving me, drive both man. Get the one YOU like. They're both great motors, hence the long, heated debates. I'm not hating on the Ecco. I liked it. I just ended up liking the 5.0 a little bit more.
So I will give you the same advice that others have shown the courtesy of giving me, drive both man. Get the one YOU like. They're both great motors, hence the long, heated debates. I'm not hating on the Ecco. I liked it. I just ended up liking the 5.0 a little bit more.
05-14-2013, 02:54 PM
#98
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Sorry isert89, but no matter how you put it, the EB is more powerful stock for stock. It is what it is and opinions can't change it.
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04...8-engines.html
This does not make the 5.0L inferior to the EB since you, and others, had their own reasons for buying the 5.0L over the EB. Each person has their own reasons as to why they chose their engine. Some reasons are valid, some reasons are plain old ignorance going off of misinformation, and some are just cause they felt like it. Either one you choose, just be glad it's in a Ford.
I know it"s your opinion, but I think it was a little uncalled for. The 5.0L has every right to be in a truck just as much as the EB does.
Attachment 222283
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04...8-engines.html
This does not make the 5.0L inferior to the EB since you, and others, had their own reasons for buying the 5.0L over the EB. Each person has their own reasons as to why they chose their engine. Some reasons are valid, some reasons are plain old ignorance going off of misinformation, and some are just cause they felt like it. Either one you choose, just be glad it's in a Ford.
I know it"s your opinion, but I think it was a little uncalled for. The 5.0L has every right to be in a truck just as much as the EB does.
05-14-2013, 03:12 PM
#99
First, I would like to say that the ecoboost engine seems to be very well thought out by ford and DI gas turbos are probably the wave of the future. Lot's of low end torque for towing, which makes for a plesant towing experience with less gear hunting and better mileage when unloaded.
For me personally, it was a question of timing and risk that made me choose the V8 over the eco. My last 4 trucks have been DI Turbodiesels and all of them except 1 had problems relating to either the injection system, turbo, or emission systems. So when I had to make the final decision I went with the low tech 6.2. Being a former A&P mechanic, I have had quite a bit of experience with high pressure electronic fuel delivery technologies, and while they "make good" on performance (mileage and power), the technology comes with a price when/if it fails.
The moving parts arguement is silly as the manufactures have that pretty well figured out. It's the electronics/sensors/high pressure fuel systems and how they are applied to those moving parts where the magic happens and that is where the ecoboost is much more complicated and still relatively new from a mass manufacturing standpoint. Add to that, the techs who work on them are new to these systems as well and struggle to find root cause solutions to problems.
Does this mean that your ecoboost will have problems? No, but it has a higher potential to fail and can be difficult to find root cause. I am well aware that my V8 could fail as well, but I feel that I stand a better chance for Gomer to fix it right the first time.
But like I said, timing. When DI gas turbos are the norm and not the exception, one will probably be in my garage. Until then, I will have to live with my slow (400+hp), gas guzzling (15 mpg average) 6.2. Much of the same points would apply to the 5.0.
For me personally, it was a question of timing and risk that made me choose the V8 over the eco. My last 4 trucks have been DI Turbodiesels and all of them except 1 had problems relating to either the injection system, turbo, or emission systems. So when I had to make the final decision I went with the low tech 6.2. Being a former A&P mechanic, I have had quite a bit of experience with high pressure electronic fuel delivery technologies, and while they "make good" on performance (mileage and power), the technology comes with a price when/if it fails.
The moving parts arguement is silly as the manufactures have that pretty well figured out. It's the electronics/sensors/high pressure fuel systems and how they are applied to those moving parts where the magic happens and that is where the ecoboost is much more complicated and still relatively new from a mass manufacturing standpoint. Add to that, the techs who work on them are new to these systems as well and struggle to find root cause solutions to problems.
Does this mean that your ecoboost will have problems? No, but it has a higher potential to fail and can be difficult to find root cause. I am well aware that my V8 could fail as well, but I feel that I stand a better chance for Gomer to fix it right the first time.
But like I said, timing. When DI gas turbos are the norm and not the exception, one will probably be in my garage. Until then, I will have to live with my slow (400+hp), gas guzzling (15 mpg average) 6.2. Much of the same points would apply to the 5.0.
05-14-2013, 03:18 PM
#100
Senior Member
The people arguing that the 5.0L is comparable in performance have not driven an Ecoboost. The 5.0L is an inferior performing engine, simple as that. The Eco delivers so much torque down low, and rarely needs to downshift to generate power. Having said that, I love the 5.0L and I'm more impressed with this engine than I was with the Ecoboost simply because I had high expectations of the Ecoboost due to Ford marketing, whereas I had lower expectations with the 5.0L and it has exceeded every one of them.
The 2011, 2012, and earlier 2013 Ecoboosts were by far the most problematic powertrains that Ford offered due to the condensation issue. Aside from that issue, the actual engine and turbos have held up extremely well so far. Ecoboosts built after Sept 18, 2012 do not appear to be having the same issues as the prior builds. Atleast not even close to the same %.
The real reliability test between the engines will not be realized for a few more years, even though the earlier Ecoboosts have had more growing pains.
The 2011, 2012, and earlier 2013 Ecoboosts were by far the most problematic powertrains that Ford offered due to the condensation issue. Aside from that issue, the actual engine and turbos have held up extremely well so far. Ecoboosts built after Sept 18, 2012 do not appear to be having the same issues as the prior builds. Atleast not even close to the same %.
The real reliability test between the engines will not be realized for a few more years, even though the earlier Ecoboosts have had more growing pains.
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