txfan

Well I understand that but these two tires are basically the same height, width, and weight. I can't see the mileage being that much different between the two.

D Roc

im not really sure what you are getting at or asking. if you understand resistance can effect mileage (not a drastic change between the two).

If you have need for a Mud tire get a mud tire, if you need an AT then go with that. personally i do not believe anyone has the need to run a mud tire all the time. good enough AT's work pretty dang well. im aslo not the kind of person who wants to take a nice truck through a random mud hole. most of my driving is highway commute to work, but my truck is offroad every weekend on my land or family farm land. never had problems with all season or AT tires on my other vehicles.

I think these AT 2 are great tires based on people i know that run them or the older version. i rather not risk extra road noise, tire cupping, or an other thing from a mud tire.

another disadvantage/advantage of the AT 2 and Mud to consider is the rubber compound. i do not know details of their compound but it can make a difference between dry and wet pavement, performance and wear based on your location.

EX. BFG TAKO (love these tires) they are horrible on the roads and area i travel when the ground is wet, but they last forever, if you can keep wheels spinning they will eventually self clean in certain soil types.

i think you should just buy what you want and learn from that.

txfan

The bold print here is exactly what I was asking. All I was saying is that these two tires were similar in terms of size and weight. My question was, what would be the advantage or disadvantage of going with the AT 2 over the MT if the rolling resistance was very similar. I've never had MT's so i'm not familiar with cupping or any other problems they typically have. I've never had an all terrain either. So this is all new to me. I come to forums like this so I can hear peoples opinions from their own personal experiences. But thanks for the "Just buy what you want to buy and learn from it" bit of advice. Your post was very informative and helpful other than the ending.

D Roc

i really do believe ppl should go ahead and do something and learn from it. kinda like a kid putting his finger in a vehicle cigerette lighter socket. bet they wont do it again.

as far as tires cupping, odd wear patterns and so on isnt strictly to Mud tires. vehicle suspension combined with the tire will cause it. the larger block tread designs will show signs of it more and possible feel it more than a mild AT tire. I do not own these AT 2 yet. waiting on my factory tires to bite the dust. I am only going with these tires because ppl i know running them and from what i have read about them. If i was serious about getting a GREAT tire that has low road noise, high mileage (70K), will get me through the deer lease and not leave me stuck...i would go with Michelin M/S 2 or AT 2. our company trucks go through tires like crazy. they are all 2010-2012 F150 fx4 or xlt. We tell the guys to buy what ever tire they want and put it on the company card.

These guys are away from home and on oil lease, farm, mud, mountain, and snow all year long and do not want to get stuck out there. they have ran nitto trail grapplers, dura tracs, Michelin, the toyo MT and AT. majority of the fleet has stayed with the michelin and some are still running toyo. Their biggest complaint with toyo is that the tire can not be found every where. no complaint on wear or and vibration. Michelin M/S do not look good but they have always made it out of the woods and back home when it mattered.

sorry if i came off as an ******* before.

txfan

Hey bud, no problem. That is the exact experiences I come here looking to read about. The two tire places here both really push the toyo MT. So that's why I came here looking for more opinions. Honestly, I agree with you about MT's. I don't think I would need one. My truck has been off road twice in the 12 months I have had it. It might have been more than that, but these stockers almost left me in a real bind once. I'm sure the Toyo AT 2 will do everything I need it to do and then some. Thanks for the help.

Kawigreenguy

Goodyear duratrac...

Ok... Enough of that... check the price comparison between duratrac and toyo mt's they might be fairly close in price? Duratrac a are Awesome... In my opinion worth the price. Especially if you're talking snow, ice and mud. I'm running the 305/55/20 awesome looks, wear and lerformanxe

rbrais

Just food for thought on rolling resistance;

I have 35x12.5x18 Nitto Trail Grapplers (M/T's) for the summer and 185/75R16 Nitto Terra Grapplers (A/T's) for the winter. The Trails are MUCH heavier, 2" taller and almost 1.5" wider, yet my mpg is almost identical for both. I calculated about .1-.2 better mpg's with my Terras.

Side note: I don't know if you are looking for a tire for the snow, but something like my Trail Graps suck. Deep snow where the lugs can bite is fine, but a little bit of light snow or greasy stuff and you have no traction.

txfan

Well to be honest with you, i've heard a few people say the duratracs sound like an MT on the highway. That and price are what has kept me from considering them. I just got quoted 290 a tire for 305/55R20 Toyo AT 2's. I'm almost positive the dura's were about 80-100 more per tire. But I will keep them in mind. However, we get almost no snow or ice here in North Texas. Thanks!

txfan

Your mileage is very surprising to me. I guess I've just been expecting the worst going from stockers to big bulky AT or MT's. But as far as the snow goes, we get very very little in my part of the world. Thanks for the honest opinion though!

rbrais

My Terras are about a 33" tire and my Trails are 35". Stocks were about 31" I went from 13-14 mpg down to 12 mpg with the larger tires. With my SCT and 87 performance tune, I went up to 12.5 mpg.

But if you are sticking with a stock size, you should not see too much of a decrease by simply switching to an M/T.