Gruffid

Hi, I've got - as the subject line indicates - a tire rating and payload rating question.

So, the sticker on the truck for max payload says the truck can handle 1650 lbs. However, the tire loading sticker (the yellow one) says that the "combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 1116 lbs."

However, my tires (Goodyear Eagle LS-2 that I'm not particularly fond of) are the stock size and say that each tire can handle a load of 2403 lbs. Well, 2403 * 4 (tires) = 9612. The GVWR for my truck is 7200 - quite a bit less than the tires' capacity.

So, why does the tire loading sticker have a max load limit less than the truck's published payload limit? What am I missing?

130428

I'm confused on what exactly is the question...

Gruffid

The question is in the last part where I asked "why does the tire loading sticker have a max load limit less than the truck's published payload limit? What am I missing?"

Doesn't everyone have two payload stickers on their driver's side door? One sticker that lists the factory payload and one sticker that lists the tyre restricted payload. Am I the only one who has a truck where these two payload stickers do not say the same thing? If I'm not the only one, then hopefully someone knows why they don't say the same thing.

And hopefully that person also knows why the tyre payload sticker has a lower payload rating than the truck's payload rating when the combined capacity of all four tires is more than the GVWR of the truck?

Tothemax

As far as payload is concerned. If your worried about it go with the lower number. Me, I could care less. I can tell if my truck is overloaded by looking at it, and by the feel. Only time I would come close is when I go camping.

Gruffid

Tire loading vs GVWR - I'm used to towing/hauling heavy, and doing so with the heavier 3/4 and 1-tonne vehicles. I don't remember having two different loading stickers, and I was very careful to keep my 39' fifth-wheel within the weights for which my truck was rated.

So, when I saw on this truck that it has two different stickers that lists two different loading limits, I became concerned. Especially since as I said before, the tire capacities, when taken as the sum capacity of the four tires, is greater than the GVWR for the truck. This is also why I asked if I was missing or overlooking some detail that would provide the answer for which I was looking.

ymeski56

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Tothemax

Platinum_Sean

Break it down front and rear..

Rear GVWR (rear axle) is probably 4050 lbs. The rear tires are rated at 2403 each (NOTE- this is at maximum pressure, 54 PSI I think, lower than that, and the rating is reduced!!). So 2x2403 = 4800 The tires are rated properly.

Payload rating, well, this is marketing!! My trucks weighs 2750 with 3/4 tank of gas at the rear. If GAWR is 4050, this leaves 4050-2750, or, 1300 lbs for cargo. How the F*ck then, does anyone get 2000, or 3000 lbs as payload? Not possible. If the cargo rating says anything OVER 1300, you have to drop the spare tire, no gas, no occupants!, it is not possible- the GAWR will be exceeded at 1300!

GVW, 7200. This is front and rear axle. My truck was 6050 lbs I think (both axles on a scale). 7200-6050 = 1150 remaining, between both axles. Again, HTF does Ford, or anyone say, 200o + lbs cargo if 6000 + 2000 is GREATER than the GVW? Don't get it.


Your Q: See above- the truck weighs 2750, 4050 is max GAWR, delta is 1250. Less 180 lb person, so about 1100 lbs is the max cargo, over the rear axle as some weight in the front of the bed is carried for the front axle).

The truck is 7200, the tires are rated above that. Again, this is at max pressure.

Don't get me started on the 11,300 towing rating! NOT POSSIBLE even if the tongue is only 15% of that- 1695 lbs added to the rear, plus the 2750 dead EXCEEDS the 4050 rear rating- again, WTF??

Love Ford. hate this marketing crap

Gruffid

Sean,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Bottom line, the white payload sticker is crap. The yellow payload sticker is almost right-on, and I should use that one for weighing.

Thanks again.

Platinum_Sean

Good freaking question. All I know is maths and it does not add up. If the gvw is 7800, and the truck weighs 6200, that is 1600 across the truck axels. If the gawr rear is 4050, and it weighs 2750, that is 1300, rear. So, 1300 must be directly over the rear axel, 2 150 lb people must sit over front axel. Or, 1400 over rear, 400 in the cab, which os 1/3 back from front axel, .or, ....

I do not see how it is possible that Ford says 3000 payload when the gvw, less dead weight, only leaves maybe 1600 lbs. where does that extra 1400 go? I even had a chat with a ford engineer in oakville once, he was not clear.

My opinion, ignore the payload number. Worry about the gawr first, then gvw second. Tires at full pressure always. This is what i do.

S