Originally Posted by kidastra

Sure but if you got a short bed you have a much smaller park bench Size does matter

Originally Posted by MurderFX

hey, I can still cram four fat girls in my little bench. That's 1/2 a ton of fun.

Originally Posted by dcfluid

So judging by the terms of engine ownership in this thread..... I'm Canadian and own a tuned Ecoboost FX4. My size is above average but I am getting older so instead of getting a Viagra prescription I can buy a GM 6.2 and supercharge it and I will have hard wood on demand in the foreseeable future. So before I spend on the biggest testosterone truck I can afford please answer this question ; Does driving a little 3.5 GTDI engine automatically deduct man card points and reduce penile efficiency, or going V8 simply boost the underperformers?

Originally Posted by MurderFX

this has gone entirely too far. Bringing turbo diesel cars into this?? What were you thinking????

Originally Posted by MurderFX

this has gone entirely too far. Bringing turbo diesel cars into this?? What were you thinking????

Originally Posted by MurderFX

this guy gets it. I stood up and saluted while I was reading.

Originally Posted by Suburb Cowboy

Wonder what the percentage of turbos vs non-turbos that were made are still running? Granted, all sorts of cars were garbage back then - but I maintain that MOST non-turbos of the day are gone, while ALMOST ALL turbos of the day are gone.

Ecoboosts are the latest fad in turbo technology. We'll see in 10 years... I am confident the percentage will be as I predict, a lot higher percentage of Ecoboosts will be in the boneyard than NAs. Turbos are expensive, and the used ones will be pretty ratty in 10 years - and the folks who buy used trucks will pass on the ones with the "high-end" turbo because it will be all clapped out. Time will tell - but to me, time has told in the form of history. Boosted engines don't last. Not hating on the Ecoboost, I sure hope I'm wrong, but "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

As for your apples-to-oranges turbodiesel comparison... Diesels, as I'm sure you know, run very high CRs. The Power Stroke runs about 17.5:1, while the Coyote runs an impressive 11:1, give or take for each. Diesels are made to do that (it's the principle upon which diesels operate, that the sheer compression is so high that the fuel-air combusts from the heat generated during compression instead of needing a spark plug). To do this, diesels are made with really beefy bottom-ends to handle that - and at a cost to that added strength, they need heavier parts to handle it, which makes diesels HEAVY and LOW RPM. But ya knew that, I'm sure...

- My nav works, but the software just isn't as good.
- It's slower than my Garmin, occasionally telling me my location to turn about 10 yards after I should have turned - I have to keep my eyes on it, which isn't as safe.
- The "electronic backseat driver" commands interrupt the radio.
- The traffic and re-routing for a Garmin comes in via HDRadio frequencies, so I have no subscriptions. No need for Sirius.
- I can turn my Garmin to Portrait or landscape orientation (I do portrait so I can see further ahead).
- My Garmin has a lot of businesses in the HDRadio signals, which are nice and pretty up-to-date. No need for Sirius.
- The voice command features on the Garmin work GREAT.
- The touch screen on my Garmin is literally TOUCH screen.
- If something goes wrong with my Garmin, I can simply replace it with a newer one.
- I can take it out and use it in a rental car on business trips.
- Updates for my Garmin are free and easy to do (plug it in and it automatically runs the program on my computer to get the updates from their site).
- Saving favorites on a Garmin is much more user friendly compared to the Ford.
- Menus for traffic avoidances and other settings on the Garmin are a lot more logically arranged.
- Display on the Garmin is much clearer.
- Garmin has many different voices from which to choose.

Clearly you like your Ford Nav really well - and I hope I'm missing out on something, like if there's an alternative to the Sirius subscription or something else? I want mine to be as lovable as my Garmin, but I haven't had that magic moment yet. It beats paper maps and dead-reckoning, but falls WAY short of what Garmin offers. Apologies for going off-topic regarding the engines...