Desert Dawg

Hi David...thanks for the compliment once again! Yeah, those are the two wheels I keep coming back to (along with the BMF SOTAs) if I can get convinced that they will look good without a high negative offset (or just go with it).



Thanks TXAG07...I have definitely considered the Icon setup maxed out for a 3-inch lift and would prefer to go that way actually! But unfortunately, the feedback I have is that they give an awful ride when maxed out (even with the additional UCAs) but I have been wanting direct feedback from Icon. So far, I have written them three times about their product and never received an email or phone call back, so my interest in sending them a couple thousands of dollars or more has severely waned.

You're also the first person to suggest the SOTAs which is one of the wheels on my shortlist. I haven't found any decent pics of those wheels against a lifted Sterling Grey; they are a busy looking wheel and I personally don't like them on non-lifted trucks, but they really shine when combined with a lift and some MTs!


That is sweet but illustrates my problem with those wheels, along with the Boosts, in that I think they look great in the 10-inch size but seem to lose their appeal (to me) when built with significantly more positive offsets. Maybe you answered my original question in that if I want those wheels, I should get them in a 20x9 with -12mm offset. Thanks!


That is definitely hardcore looking. Not sure if I would like it on a 4-inch lifted truck, but would be amazing looking on a +6-inch lifted truck with 37s for sure. They are pricey but really like the look!

oxcobra

I like the wheel in 10 inch being it has a bigger lip but in a -24 offset they are out there a good ways. Even with a 6 inch lift my tires rubbed if you flexed it.

TXAG07

That is some real bs that Icon won't respond to you. I've been searching the web alot about their setup but have yet to get the answers I need. Seems like every time I'm looking for info I run into a thread of you asking questions and not getting an def answer . Please forward me or the forum info if you ever hear from them. I also feel ya on wanting to do more lift/tire even though your truck looks great as is. Your tire/level combo was the inpiration for my truck and although I love my current mods, I def will be doing 35s and 2.5-4in in the future. Keep us posted with what you decide.

As far as the SOTA's, I actually prefer them over my novakanes as they are a little more unique. I just stumbled on a deal on my novakanes that I couldn't pass up. Member robbem25's truck is what made me want the SOTAs. His pics are in below thread:

https://www.f150forum.com/f31/show-o...s-637/index59/

Desert Dawg

Yeah, I think Fuel Offroad is offering re-badged Icons for their new suspension offerings so I am going to call them to see if I can get any additional info. I will be sure to pass anything I learn along to you. It is amazing these days how companies feel like they don't need responsive customer service anymore; I think the trend is to focus on getting products out to market through distributors and therefore individual customers are marginalized as not worth the time (unless that individual is a distributor or has access to the media...lol). If that is the case, they don't deserve my money even if I like their product or support some of their distributors. But I still hold out and give them the benefit of a doubt.

I remember seeing robbem25's setup before...those wheels look great on his lifted black truck. Thanks for sharing!

TXAG07

Just checked Fuels website and those are no doubt rebadged Icons. Please let me know what they say if you can get any info from those guys. It is sad how some companys neglect the individual user of their products...... hopefully you'll get info from somebody. Keep us posted, can't wait to see what you do.

Watt-maker

I go to the Albuquerque area quite often and I have seen some of your trucks (didn't know who owned them until now) in person. You have good taste! IMHO, coil-overs set at 2.5" or full blown 4" kit is the way to go. I'm a recovering mod-aholic myself. I haven't done much to this truck yet because I'm still finishing up my new house but every time I set foot in Trucks Unique, those parts are begging me to buy them!

Desert Dawg

I talked with "Frank" at Fuel Offroad; really nice guy but unfortunately didn't have much he could tell me. He didn't acknowledge that their new coilovers are rebadged Icons but didn't correct me when I mentioned it a couple of times that I thought they were. However, he said that they just started offering them and therefore the warehouse hasn't even sold any yet (I guess I basically noticed them right after they posted on their website). He also didn't have any pricing info (or maybe wouldn't give me any) and pushed me to their distributors to get pricing and place my order. And he had no additional information on offering other related-components like the UCAs. But he was able to give me the part number FS93001 which is listed on their website...lol. He also had no information on performance and ride quality. But he was able to get me some measurements on their new 2-piece wheels I am considering; their 20x9 with +1mm offset actually has a 2-inch lip which I thought was pretty decent, and you can remove the center piece as the bolts are self-centering and can be retorqued by anyone to 25 lbs-ft. Good news on the wheels.

So I called Icon Vehicle Dynamics and have to take back everything I said about their customer service. Apparently they may not be good at responding to emails, but they are very responsive to phone calls. I forgot the person's name I talked with, but he was very friendly and helpful, and didn't rush me. He basically told me that my best bet was to go with their 2.5-inch remote reservoir with the compression damping control (CDC) valve that has an external dial that let's you easily adjust the ride quality you want.

I inquired about the potential for degraded ride quality if you adjust the coilovers to the 2.5-3 inch settings, and he assured me that IVD takes the ride quality issue seriously and that that my ride will be better on road and off road. Now I know that some on the forum reported that their Icon setups gave very stiff rides if set too high, so I am assuming that he was referencing the complete system with the external reservoirs and the CDC upgrade, along with their UCAs (I didn't clarify that specifically with him so may have to call back).

Finally, he asked about the size of tire I would be running. I said between 34- to 35 inches tall. He responded that someone at their shop is running the full system with 35s and had to do a bit of trimming to make it work, but if I was okay with that then everything should be good. He also stated that I should not go with too wide a rim or too much offset which I already surmised. Hopefully going with +1mm offset is not too wide although it may be because my 2.5-inch BDS system with +18mm wheels still required a bit of trimming. I forgot to ask if I could keep the factory 20-inch wheels with the +44mm offset if I went with the replacement UCAs.

So adding it all up, I can get the complete Icon 2.5-inch system (front coilovers with external reservoirs, rear shocks, CDC upgrade, and UCAs) installed for around $3000 and have superior performance for the few times a year that I take my truck off-roading, and fit in my garage with a topper. Also, if I go this route, I think I will install bigger tires but keep the factory wheels assuming they will fit with the new UCAs. Or....for about the same price ($2800) get the 4-inch Rancho system with new front replacement struts and 9000 Series adjustable shocks installed and have a more aggressive stance and clearance for the 34- to 35-inch tall tires with some aftermarket wheels, and still improve my off-road performance over stock but definitely not near as good with the full Icon system (on- or off-road), and maybe fit in my garage with the topper (or not). Not sure I got anywhere....lol.

TheBlack2011FX4

Well, like everyone said, anything you pick would look awesome.. You are desert dawg lol... I'd go Fuel over BMF. My local tire/wheel shop actually just had two separate trucks that were there at the same time who had chipping BMF wheels. I'd never heard of anyone with those problems, but the tire shop says it happens more often than you'd think.

Most fuel wheels look absolutely insane in person, pictures usually don't do it justice. If I were you, I would do a 4" lift, with some fuel black/machined wheels in a 0 or -12 with 35s. I think it would just look really nice.

Good luck on whatever you choose and keep us updated!!

TXAG07

Hey, glad you were able to finally get some info. Those new wheels sound sweet and so does the icon system. Like you said, I'm sure he was being specific to the 2.5. I'm still interested in the 2.0 as it is cheaper overall than both and I feel I could install it myself and save some dough. The 2.5 could be worth the extra doth if it does provide a softer ride on road at the higher setting. I'm just still a little Leary on the 4 in for myself bc of parking garages and the fact that I some trucks the 35s even look small to me. Some look perfect though. Does the rancho give exactly 4in? For some reason it looks like more than that to me in some pics and sometimes I can't tell the diff bt that and a bds 6in. Have you by chance given sdhq offroad a call. I think they've done a few icon setups and might have some good info.

Desert Dawg

Thanks! I haven't heard about the paint chipping issue with the BMFs; that would certainly get my goat considering how much they want for those wheels! But I think I am still leaning towards the Fuels anyway. But I think I will shy away from too much negative offset as I do remember my previous -11mm with MTs really stuck out and constantly threw stuff all over the truck...lol. If I go with 0mm or +1mm offset, I may even get some PTM flares.