Problem! window visor vents on 2011........
 

I have used 2 brands of insert in the window channel window vent visors on my 2011 and neither will work! Both brands interfere with the function of raising the window and as they go up, the sensor feels restrictions, as they are designed to do, and automatically retract again. If you push on the vents a bit, the window will eventually set, but not at full up position so there is a lot of wind noise. The dealer ( not Ford but an independant) took them back and was scratching his head....never happened before..... I really wanted them as here in Florida we need them to vent the car while parked in the sun and heat but also need to keep rain showers out of the interior....... anyone else tried any rain units that hve had them function as designed ? I really do not like the looks of the exterior mounted units and my last truck, a '98 had not had any problems with them....... nor did my Escape.......

I'm sure you tried AVS...did you try weather tech ??

The avs I put on mine had little plastic inserts that go in the channel. Havent had any problems with them

"In channel" vents will not work with auto up windows. Period. You have to use the stick on type. This is due to the anti pinch feature.

Sorry.

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theses are not inchannel ones they are stick ons but dont stick onto the paint just the rubber around the window i freaking love them. by far the lowest profile of any i have seen and they made it through a whole winter here in PA

I don't know why people don't like the stick on types. I had them on my old 4runner and they worked great and looked good too. They looked just like the seamless vent visors above but came out a bit more.

I just ordered the seamless vent visors after reading all the problems with the in-channel ones. I wasn't too crazy about them anyway.

Cause they dont look as good and eventually get ripped off or fall off, the ones above your post look ok though, never seen those kind before.

You cant adjust the pinch sensitivity and get them to work?

The windows need to be re-timed. I had the AVS In-Channel and tried retiming them several times and gave up. I purchased the AVS Seamless as shown in 20STX10's post above and love them!

If you feel adventerous here is how you re-time Ford windows:

Credit goes to a forum member who works for Ford and I didn't want to post his/her name without permission, fyi...the dealer confirmed these steps as well.

Do the 2011's have the auto-up windows?

You have to be patient and roll the window up manually... Once near the visor makes sure it doesn't catch and roll all the way up.... It may take a few tries... Leave windows up for a few days and all should be right in the world..... You can use in channel visors, I've got a full set of weathertechs!

Where did you buy these please?

I ordered mine from Amazon.com. Best price I found.

Weathertech's on a 2011 SCrew

i got mine from autoanything.com but i know you can also get them from jcwhitney.com

Any more photos?? I like the look and am interested in these. Thnx

i dont have any at the moment i can take some more tomorrow

I'll take some pics as well and post them tomorrow...

I have the Wade in channel ones and love them. They extend all the way down like the pic of the Weather Techs. I left my windows up for 72 hours like the instructions said and only for the first couple days, the fronts would intermittently go up an down when they contacted the visor. After that, the windows function normally and I have no wind noise.

Just installed mine this morning.

They're very lightweight and the kit comes with 4 alcohol pads for each piece to clean the surface where it sticks to. My 4runner visors also came with an accelerator solution on pads for the double stick tape but this kit didn't. The tape is VERY sticky though and I don't think they'll come off easily. I think it looks great and only took a few mins to install (stick on).

Here's a couple of pics...

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What brand are these?

AVS Seamless Vent Visors.

I've also got AVS in-channel ventvisors on my truck with the same bounce-back problem of the window hitting the edge of the visor. I did a little searching online and came across what appears to be an easy solution.

This morning I tried doing the process described below on both driver and passenger windows. Basically you pull out the corresponding fuse when the window is going down via the "auto" feature and that presumably disables the auto-up feature of the window. We're talking about fuses #1 and #3 which are located on the front seat passenger side of the truck. There's a plastic covering to remove followed by removing the cover for the fuse panel. You may need a helper to initiate the closing of the driver's side window since you'll need to pull out the fuse as the window is going down.

Anyway, once that was done I didn't experience any problem closing either window.

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Fixed my bounceback!!
I got the de-initialization/initialization procedures from my dealership and had success with it. Here's the procedure they gave me. I went with the option of removing the fuse:

De-Initialization

Note: The front window motor must be de-initialized (reset to its original factory settings) before carrying out the initialization procedure.

1. Turn the ignition ON.
2. Operate the window control switch in one-touch mode and remove power from the window motor while the window is moving by one of the following methods:3. This de-initializes the window motor and reset the window motor to its original factory setting
4. Carry out the initialization procedure to turn the one-touch-up feature on


Initialization

WARNING: Keep objects and body parts clear of the glass panel when carrying out the initialization procedure. During the initialization procedure, the glass panel closes with high force and cannot detect objects In Its path. Failure to follow this instruction may result In serious personal injury.

NOTE: The front window must be in the full OPEN position for this procedure to operate correctly

NOTE: If the initialization procedure is only partially completed, the front window motor remains de-initialized and operates only in proportional up/down and one-touch¬down modes.

5. Turn the ignition ON.
6. Activate and hold the window control switch in the UP position at the second detent until the window glass stalls for 2 seconds into the glass top run and release the switch.
7. Activate and hold the window control switch in the DOWN position at the second detent until the window glass stalls for 2 seconds at the bottom of its travel and release the switch.
8. Test for correct window operation by carrying out the one-touch-up and one-touch-down features.

Just my opinion but I don't like how these go past the actual window unless I'm looking at them wrong. My neighbor has stick on AVS and driver side is starting to come off. I love the weather tech look and will order before winter.

Weather tech visors
 

Hello - I see you have the Weather tech visors on your 2011 SSCrew, did you have any problems installing them with the bounce back window feature? My wife has the weather tech visors on her Edge and compare the AVS they seem to be thinner in the channel, I was hoping they work. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Stay away from AVS their quality control sucks. The first set I received was all scratched to heck and they had a bunch of extra plastic around the edges, they didn't clean them up after taking them out of the mold. I ordered them through autoanything and they shipped a second set, these arrived scratched but much less than the first pair, I still had to cut away and file extra plastic that was left on from when they were made. I will never order AVS again.
And the bug guard from AVS whistles, so damn annoying :cursing:

Next time I need some I will be going back to EGR I have installed their window visors and bug guards on my previous two trucks and they were great.

Did you do anything special to get the weather tech visors to work without issue? For now I only installed one of mine and the window has been a pain in the ass to get it to work properly. When I finally got the window up, I tried to heat the rub on the outside to hopefully get it to conform to the new position. Any suggestions would be appreciated!

By far the best looking IMO. I don't like the other ones above that go all the way across the door frame.

Do 2010's have this window feature also?

Just realized this is an old thread. I made almost the same response before

So from reading this thread it seems like if all else fails, you could just "de-initialize" per the procedure and leave it that way. Then, while you'd lose the auto-up feature, your winders would go all the way up. Is this a correct assumption??? Sounds like this could also be helpful in getting them up good and tight for a few days, THEN initialize them once the rubber has formed to them. Anyway, that's what I'm gonna try tomorrow morning, having just installed a set of EGR's in-channels tonight.

Then it's on to installing the Rugged fender liners that just arrived. New trucks are FUN!

In my case it probably helped that the WeatherTech vent visors were used ( 1year old ) and removed from the 2009 STX that was traded-in for the 2011 FX4.

Probably didn't do any good. The only real way to get contortion is time/age and leaving the windows up whenever it's not necessary that they be down.

A light coating of silicone spray on the surface of the vent visor that the glass slides against.
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EGR's just installed; look dead on the Weather Tech to me. There was a little sticky crap on the drivers side that made the window chatter. That and of course the auto up issue with 2011's. Removed the drivers side, cleaned the sticky then used a scotchbrite, then rubbing compound, then plastic polish, Chatter gone, but still the auto up issue. Retimed the windows using the fuse method described here, and like magic, everything worked. I now doubt that the polishing was necessary. I do have an issue with Ford mounting the fuse block above a hole to the fender. Made the job a little longer since I had to go out and buy a 30A fuse. Advice: plug up that hole with a towel or something, like I did the second time! LOL

What brand are they

I have a set of in-channel egr's and after i retimed them they no longer bounce back and seal as good as before... never cared for stick on type they dont look as clean imo

just reviving the thread to state that the method described in post #22 for fixing this issue worked for me with my in-channel AVS visors. in fact, i just left the auto-up disabled as i never really cared for it all that much to begin with.

AVS revised their in-channel vent visors, as these are what I have on my Screw and they are Great! No problems whatsoever even with using auto up feature, and I also didn't use the included plastic clips I believe this helps dramatically!

I have to agree that the peel/sticks look is not clean and it overlaps the door panels. To me it looks stupid and out of place. The purpose of the window visor is to be in the window not on the door. Plus the peel/sticks dont come all the way down the window tract they stop at the mirror. Personal preference I guess. I had the weather techs on my SD, just bought the weather techs for my 2013 F150, havent installed yet, but will when it warms up a bit.

Toddman, can you post a picture?

Whoever said in channel will not work is completely wrong!! I just did Weathertech in channel on my 2013 with the auto up/down. We installed them, then I had a friend, with hands on both sides of the glass, push the window up into the channel while I worked the window switch, forcing it up into the channel tight. Then I left the windows up for a few days, which allowed the weatherstripping to stretch out enough. They work perfect and look incredible. You don't have to go thru all these procedures of pulling fuses and battery cables to deactivate systems. Every custom shop I talked to suggested this procedure and it worked great and was so simple and fast. It's not a big deal.......

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Rev

Reveye, those visors look great. I bought a pair of the weathertechs going to install soon. Question for you. Did you have to pull the weather stripping off your door to install your visors. Can you tell me how you installed yours on the 2013?

I didn't have to take anything apart. The visor just goes directly in the channel, so the visor goes between the window and the weatherstripping. The procedure I used is also the same procedure that Weathertech recommends. Here is the link to Weathertech's install instructions. See at the bottom where they tell you to sandwich the window by hand up into the channel and leave it so the weatherstrip will conform.....

http://www.weathertech.com/assets/1/...neral_0312.pdf

Rev

Thanks Reveye, i went on the weather tech site and it had a F150 install video and it showed having to pull the weather stripping off the window to remove some kind of L shape foam then push back up. You didnt have to do this on your 2013 F150? You just installed the visors as shown in directions w/o pulling any thing apart??

Actually, I do remember my buddy removing something from the upper corner, I just never saw him pull the weatherstrip back.

Rev

Darn, i was hoping that the 2013 windows didnt require to pull the corner off. They seem rather secured or glued in pretty good. Dont want to tear them off but if it was needs to get done then i guess i will have to do it. Thanks for the replies!!

My trucks at the dealer right now for the cac replacement! Instead of having the full piece of plastic run the length of the inner window channel the revised version on has 3, 3" pieces that now stick inside the channel! One near the mirror, one in the middle, and one at the door opening just like ^ minus the piece running down from the mirror! Never understood why few manufacturers make them that way!:thumbsup:

what exactly do you mean by "wrong"?

when i installed my AVS in-channel visors, the auto-up would cause the window to go down when i tried to do up the window, as if the window was encountering a blockage. i also left my windows up tight for a few days, but unlike your experience, the auto-up still was malfunctioning, the same as with the guy who started this thread and several other posters. we had to do this relatviely simple procedure to make things work properly.

Saying "It won't work", IS wrong. Not sure what part of that you don't understand...... If you look at the directions, they tell you how to do this with the auto feature. But, I'm guessing you didn't read the directions based on your statement back to me. I followed the directions and posted about it on the previous page and it works like a charm.

Rev

ok, i guess i misunderstood your quote, and apologize for my error. you were actually saying that people who claimed that you can't use in-channel visors were wrong, which of course is true.

i think that you use weathertech, based on your post. in the instructions for the AVS brand of visors, they do not mention about the auto-up issue. also, it appears that the people with this problem also used AVS. the good news is that in the end, we all are happy with our situation and probably agree that in-channel is better than stick on.

the stick on visors for my civic started leaking badly after about 5 years. i had to reseal them because the original material had completely eroded in places and was an open hole, letting water flow freely. that will never be an issue with in-channels, which is one of the reasons why i like them. also, IMO, they just look cleaner, although i'll admit that the low-pro stick ons also look okay.

Yes sir, that is what I meant. No need to be sorry. Sometimes it's hard to really get what people actually mean in these posts. Here is the excerpt from the Weathertech install instructions.....

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Rev

Old Thread, But I have some good info to pass on:

I had the same problem, It seems to be if you keep stuborning trying to put it up you can get them to stick. I used a panel removal tool to wedge in as I was installing to mimic the pressure from the window.

They also came with channel spacers.

I went with PUTCO in channel visors, they look just like the weathertechs but at a fraction of the price.

AVS is fine
 

I have ventvisors, bug shield, and door sill guards, all from AVS. Everything was in great shape out of the packaging, no scratches or extra plastic to trim, everything installed easily, and no wind noise when istalled. The door sill guards look WAY better than Ford's crappy OEM ones, which didn't even come on my XLT.

I have the EGR in channels on my 2011. I had the same problem, but eventually they set right and I have no issues now. Warmer weather really helped get them right.

I tried the EGRs first. They worked fine in the rear, but I had the bounce back in the front. Then I read that WeatherTech was aware of the problem and working on a new model for the late model F150s. I ordered a pair and the in-channel plastic was thinner than the ERG, and after seating for a few days, worked just fine.

I bought the EGR, retimed the windows, all done.

I'd be annoyed having to "work" so hard to install some plastic vent-visors. So I just did it right.

But let me tell you... reconnecting the battery and running back to the window switch by yourself can be quite funny to watch for the neighbors. . . especially without spilling any beer!

a previous poster pointed out that eventually his truck "forgot" that he had disabled the auto-up and reset back to what it was before. this also happened to my truck. it took a few months for it to happen. so just a heads up...

I didn't disable the auto-up feature (didn't know you could). I re-timed them so that it would know where "full up" really was. The battery's gone dead a couple of times since then (my own dumb parasitic drain while sitting for days)... still knows where up is. Mine is a 2012.

My old weathertechs had the bounce back issue but the new ones they sent me work fine. No issues.

Greg

You may have issues with the auto roll up feature but you can correct this, well it worked for me. I had to do this three times before it quit auto roll down from the deflectors. This was taken from an earlier weathertech thread:

"I'm the product engineer for the window reg. It is difficult to tell, but the regulator has a soft stop feature, when you use express down, the regulator stops~ 40mm before mechanical stall, supposed to eliminate the thud at the bottom. If you use X-down, press the down switch 3 times in a row after it stops moving and it will go all the way down. Under normal circumstances, the window will go all the way down to its mechanical hard stall every 20 cycles to relearn where that position is, to compensate for wear over the life of the vehicle. This is true for closing as well, to an extent. If you de-initialize the system (one-touch becomes inactive) then re-initialize, the window motor will reset and should learn the characteristics of that door at the time it is initialized. The problem with the in-channel shades is that the window motor is not expecting to slow down at a different rate and reverses, thinking that the extra effort is an obstacle. If you re-initialize, it should see that the window slows down earlier/ at a different rate and will expect that behavior from that point on. The algorithm is a little more complicated than that, there are other things that it takes into account that could prevent it from working properly even if it is re-initialized."

Many of the brands out there have been Revised!:thumbsup: So you don't encounter the Bounce Back Issue! I have the revised AVS In-Channels, and have had no problems w/bounce back, or and wind noise!:cool: I recommend them.

Anyone with the AVS Seamless that has had them a while have a 'long term' review?
Are they still in place,any issues with them coming off?

Mine have been in for 7 months, no problems with them!:thumbsup: Just make sure you buy the newer Revised version, they only have 3 spots where they stick to the window channel! One on each edge and the middle, its about a 3" piece!:) I also didn't use the plastic channel inserts, that go in the vertical channel!:thumbup: Auto up feature works as it should!

I've had mine for over 2 yrs now and they're still awesome. The truck's been modded a bit in those 2 yrs though.

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It's a really nice look. I was getting ready to buy the in AVS in channel, until I looked at the printed install instructions and noticed you have to use the clips. The video they have posted does not mention the clips. So I'm now considering the seamless since they go on the outside and I thought wouldn't need any clips

I just ordered some today so i will be testing this theory out before i start pulling fuses. It seems so hit and miss on people who can get them to work or not. Lots of good and bad reviews on Amazon. The bad are all about the auto stop feature. I hope it works for me.

I pulled the trigger on the AVS in channels last night on AutoAnything. Then read reviews afterwards of problems with auto stop and possibly any sand, dirt, or grime getting caught and scratching/gouging your windows. Called and switched my order to the stick on AVS. I'd rather spend another $45 when they fall off years down the road then rather replace and re tint my windows because of annoying scratches. They also look just as nice. Rather be safe then sorry.

I got my inchannel's today. Front pass side is broken, back to amazon we go.

I had stick-on visors on my previous truck for over 6 yrs with no issues. You have to use the alcohol swabs to clean the area you're sticking the adhesive to really well.

Good guy amazon immediately refunded me all my cash, told me to not bother sending the broken set back, and offered up free shipping on another set if I re-order.

I decided to go ahead and get the stick on as well. I wasn't keen on the scratching that could happen with the in channels.

I have replacement parts for all sides but the front pass if anyone needs a piece, free, you pay the shipping.

With the auto up feature of the F150, the inchannel (weathertech's)struggle from time to time to go up w/o reacting to the resistance and the window goes down. I have had these since January and there still acting up. The peel and sticks are simpler, but there easy to install and don't interfere with windows. The only issue over time is if the adhesive starts to get loose. In the end they do the job, and that's what we want. So inchannel or peel/stick doesn't matter.

Does anyone know which fuse to pull for the 2013 F-150? I have an STX regular cab with AVS in-channel window vents. I let them sit forever with the window up after install, and I still get pull back with auto-up. I'm willing to try, but would rather pull a fuse than have to disconnect my battery.

Thanks

I have the AVS in channel visors on my 2013 SuperCab. I did have some auto roll up problems initially, but after a looking at the hard points and the channel insert clips I figured out the problem was...

My window molding was new, and was still quite swollen, once I seen this I used a heat gun with the window up, and then proceeded to bump the window up after it was rolled down. This helped but over time with the window up the seal formed to its new shape with the visor.

I have ZERO wind leaks or any NVH of the kind. Most of the auto roll up problems will go away with the hot summer sun and the window up. If not call AVS or the manufacture and see if they have done any lip revisions to the vent.

Do you have the Revised version of the AVS's?

Yes, most likley. I bought them at Autozone shortly after I got the truck (Feb, 2013).

The one thing I noticed that sparked my attention was the channel inserts, I have never seen them before now.

I decided on stickons over the in channel's after they broke when I got them in Monday. Amazon stepped up and delivered my new ones in two days with free shipping. Just in time for a 12 hour road trip tomorrow.