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Old 03-17-2015, 10:47 AM
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My F150 has been plagued with problems but the dealer treated me like crap so I ordered a Dodge.

Safety is a huge factor for me as well. No way I'd keep driving something I didn't feel safe in.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:58 AM
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Being upside down sucks. Having a lemon sucks.

Been there done that.

If you are going to take the hit at least get a diesel.
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I figure safer is a truck that doesn't break down frequently on our exceptionally dangerous winter roads. We live on one of the most tricky roads in the area during the winter. February last year the road was closed for 18 days. I drive a very old rusty f250 for work (average one way trip of 2 hrs), and have not had a single failure or hiccup in the last year. It gets irregular maintenance when time allows as we kinda consider it disposable at this point. My f150 is babied and gets all service and oil changed at the dealer, ahead of schedule. I guess it's apples to oranges, as my 2000 f150 with the 4.2 v6 was a rock. It seems that every year since they've been getting softer and softer. I don't cary large loads often, maybe 4 or 5 times a year. Heck my trailer is only rated for 3500lbs. But with that a max capacity and a load of wood in the bed I am sitting on the bump stops. A half tonne should easily handle that load...the picture below is exactly a full cord of wood (truck and trailer combined). What you see sticking up above the bed of the truck is actually cardboard boxes no a giant pile of wood. The wood was level with the top of the bed, tossed in loosely. The trailer was stacked tightly. The engine had no issues with the load, the suspension, well not so much. We emptied some out before leaving, it didn't look/feel safe.

I have no expertise in the weight of a cord of wood, by 4 by 4 by 8 of wood weighs 3,000 - 6,000 pounds per a quick Google search. I suspect that if you weighed the trailer load, got the tongue weight, then weighed the load in the truck, you'd find yourself well over payload. My 2013 SuperCab has a payload of 1,643, your SuperCrew is less than that, you're overloaded.
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
I have no expertise in the weight of a cord of wood, by 4 by 4 by 8 of wood weighs 3,000 - 6,000 pounds per a quick Google search. I suspect that if you weighed the trailer load, got the tongue weight, then weighed the load in the truck, you'd find yourself well over payload. My 2013 SuperCab has a payload of 1,643, your SuperCrew is less than that, you're overloaded.
He did say the cord was divided between truck and trailer. That being said, I agree it looks overloaded. His is a max tow so your payload assumption is incorrect. My truck is a screw max tow and payload is 1785.
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
I have no expertise in the weight of a cord of wood, by 4 by 4 by 8 of wood weighs 3,000 - 6,000 pounds per a quick Google search. I suspect that if you weighed the trailer load, got the tongue weight, then weighed the load in the truck, you'd find yourself well over payload. My 2013 SuperCab has a payload of 1,643, your SuperCrew is less than that, you're overloaded.
Not so fast, yes a full cord of fresh cut oak is going to weigh very close to 6000lbs. Now what I had there was five year old mixed hardwood and softwood. There was about 3500lbs in trailer (aluminum trailer weighs 800), and about 500 pounds in the bed. That's a max tow truck, but yeah my max payload is about 1500lbs including fuel and driver. That trailer is closer to 15% tongue weight, as the axle is a little aft of centre, the last time I weighed it loaded. Admittedly the trailer was over loaded. The truck I dont think was, there was about 1100lbs with tongue and bed weight. My wife and I are a combined 270lbs, and at that time I had a 1/4 tank of fuel. That trailer is 6x12, with 18" rails. It was packed super tight, the bed of the truck was just the remaining amount tossed in loosely. If I was overloaded it would have been by a very small margin. Also this isn't my normal every day use, maybe four or five times a year and usually locally. 90% of the time it's just my wife driving with my daughter in the back seat for about 60Km one way twice a day, with no cargo. If a truck can't handle that amount of workload it most definitely is not much of a truck.

I have a special hatred for GM, and won't buy one willingly. I looked at the dodge Rams, but every one I've seen that's more then a few years old seems to rot out, particularly around the wheel wells. This I was looking at the 250. Seems like the only truck that's actually made and drives like a truck. I dunno, maybe I am just too frustrated.

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I don't know why people buy 3/4 tons if your dropping that kind of coin get a 1 ton
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Originally Posted by bassturd
He did say the cord was divided between truck and trailer. That being said, I agree it looks overloaded. His is a max tow so your payload assumption is incorrect. My truck is a screw max tow and payload is 1785.

Thanks you beat me to the punch. I believe mine is a bit lower, but I weighed it at the scales with a full tank of fuel and both my wife and I in it. Then calculate my remaining payload, this is where I came up with the 1500lb mark, probably a safe amount that I settled on for max load.
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I find it ridiculous that anyone would expect a dealer to give someone all their money back because they have problems... a dealer does not warranty your truck, ford does. The dealer is privately owned and they are paid by ford to do the warranty work.

They are in the business of making money, not losing money so you're ultimately so happy you feel like you robbed a bank.

The dealer made a few grand off you, most of your money went to the ford motor company, and you want the dealer to give you what...say $15,000 in you depreciative loss as your truck is 1yr old and used. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by mmateri
I find it ridiculous that anyone would expect a dealer to give someone all their money back because they have problems... a dealer does not warranty your truck, ford does. The dealer is privately owned and they are paid by ford to do the warranty work.

They are in the business of making money, not losing money so you're ultimately so happy you feel like you robbed a bank.

The dealer made a few grand off you, most of your money went to the ford motor company, and you want the dealer to give you what...say $15,000 in you depreciative loss as your truck is 1yr old and used. Good luck.
I don't expect the dealer to give me anything, although they did offer to cover about half of the depreciation which I thought was generous (why I am looking at a used 250 at all). I did expect the manufacturer to come to the plate much like they would be forced to, in this case, in a state with lemon laws.
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Originally Posted by Thislilfishy
I don't expect the dealer to give me anything, although they did offer to cover about half of the depreciation which I thought was generous (why I am looking at a used 250 at all). I did expect the manufacturer to come to the plate much like they would be forced to, in this case, in a state with lemon laws.
no lemon laws in canada but there is always recourse


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