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Old 11-04-2013, 02:08 PM
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To think all this would not even be an issue if Ford wasn't forced to make the truck cut fuel to some injectors causing a shudder/vibration just to save emissions system after a misfire. If the regulations weren't there, then all you would have is a brief misfire and nothing more.

The NHTSA will not charge Ford for any safety recall becuase the shudder and loss of power is due to an EPA regulation. The only thing the engine is doing is misfiring and the rest is working as designed per regulations. Good luck trying to get one government entity to charge another with a safety issue especially if it's the all powerful EPA.

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Originally Posted by MT-Ford
I seem to remember some vehicles in the past that were recalled for engine power issues. They must of thought it a safety concern.

Sorry I can't remember which cars had issues, maybe it was my imagination.
Recalls aren't limited to safety issues and aren't always mandated by nhtsa.
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Originally Posted by Al Kohalic
To think all this would not even be an issue if Ford wasn't forced to make the truck cut fuel to some injectors causing a shudder/vibration just to save emissions system after a misfire. If the regulations weren't there, then all you would have is a brief misfire and you nothing more.

The NHTSA will not charge Ford for any safety recall becuase the shudder and lose of power is due to an EPA regulation. The only thing the engine is doing is misfiring and the rest is working as designed per regulations. Good luck trying to get one government entity to charge another with a safety issue especially if it's the all powerful EPA.
Now this is a great point! I agree as the issues with emissions and MPG requirements continue to go up and the fact we still want trucks that can haul and tow along with Ford and the other companies number 1 in sales are trucks we may find this is just the start of problems to come!! I was even going to say that they are making the 2015 much lighter and I wouldn't doubt they might (have) to consider putting a 4 banger Eco in the trucks in the next several years!!! OMG,,, can you imagine those out there that can't understand why we have a truck with a 6 cylinder will say or think when they start coming out with 4 cylinders!
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Originally Posted by eye.surgeon
Read through the thread.
So because Ford/NHTSA says no injuries/deaths that must be the case?
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Originally Posted by Bills96TA

So because Ford/NHTSA says no injuries/deaths that must be the case?
Unless you have evidence to the contrary, it is the case.
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Originally Posted by Al Kohalic
To think all this would not even be an issue if Ford wasn't forced to make the truck cut fuel to some injectors causing a shudder/vibration just to save emissions system after a misfire. If the regulations weren't there, then all you would have is a brief misfire and nothing more. The NHTSA will not charge Ford for any safety recall becuase the shudder and lose of power is due to an EPA regulation. The only thing the engine is doing is misfiring and the rest is working as designed per regulations. Good luck trying to get one government entity to charge another with a safety issue especially if it's the all powerful EPA.
You should copy and repost this every other complaint!
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I've got to disagree. Fundamentally, it's a fixable issue if fords parents are too be believed. There are requirements that make it difficult, but that doesn't mean it's not fords problem.
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The real question is; how much water is enough to cause hydrolock?
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Originally Posted by jonbar87
The real question is; how much water is enough to cause hydrolock?
Not sure, but Ford claims up to 8 ounces max can accumulate and get subsequently ingested during a downshift to 2nd at 50.
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Originally Posted by LastResort
Not sure, but Ford claims up to 8 ounces max can accumulate and get subsequently ingested during a downshift to 2nd at 50.
8 oz.?


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