Integrated brake controller and surge breaks.
08-07-2012, 10:24 PM
#1
Integrated brake controller and surge breaks.
Towing the inlaws boat to table rock this Friday. It has a 5 pin plug which I used an adaptor to hook into the round plug on the back of my 11 f150 .
The lights all work but the truck says that there is no trailer connected.
Is this because of the surge breaks ? Seeing how you can't adjust the breaks at all, does the truck think there's nothing there?
The lights all work but the truck says that there is no trailer connected.
Is this because of the surge breaks ? Seeing how you can't adjust the breaks at all, does the truck think there's nothing there?
08-08-2012, 12:28 AM
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08-08-2012, 04:55 AM
#5
You need to chill.
The surge brakes on my boat trailer have a 5pin plug witch allows for a release on the brakes to back up. Others have a release or pin to put in place while backing.
Towing the inlaws boat to table rock this Friday. It has a 5 pin plug which I used an adaptor to hook into the round plug on the back of my 11 f150 .
The lights all work but the truck says that there is no trailer connected.
Is this because of the surge breaks ? Seeing how you can't adjust the breaks at all, does the truck think there's nothing there?
The lights all work but the truck says that there is no trailer connected.
Is this because of the surge breaks ? Seeing how you can't adjust the breaks at all, does the truck think there's nothing there?
The surge brakes on my boat trailer have a 5pin plug witch allows for a release on the brakes to back up. Others have a release or pin to put in place while backing.
Introduction
Surge brakes are used primarily for trailers. They are used in place of electric brakes. The basic operating principal is quite simple---surge brakes rely on natural forces for operation. Surge brakes are actuated with centrifugal force. When a trailer is being towed behind a vehicle and the towing vehicle applies the brakes, the trailing vehicle continues to travel forward through centrifugal force relying on the tow vehicle to slow the forward motion. Surge brakes take advantage of this force to operate the trailer brakes.
How Surge Brakes Work
The neck of the trailer is two pieces. The front section with the hitch attachment is a separate piece. It is made to slide on a ledge into the back half of the neck. A master cylinder for the brakes is mounted to the back half of the neck and has a rod extending from the master cylinder to the front half of the neck. As the vehicle moves forward, the weight of the load will extend the two pieces, due to the load.
Applying the Brakes
When the towing vehicle's brakes are applied, the tow vehicle starts to slow and the centrifugal force causes the trailer and its load to push forward on the neck of the trailer, which in turn forces the front half of the trailer neck in. When the front neck is pushed into the back half, the rod is pushed into the master cylinder, which then applies the brakes. When the towing vehicle releases the brakes and moves forward, the neck once more extends and releases the brakes. The rod for the master cylinder can be adjusted to cause the brakes to come on sooner or later, whichever is desired.
Trailers with Surge Brakes
A trailer with surge brakes cannot be backed up without inserting a pin in the neck of the trailer. When the tow vehicle is in reverse, pushes in on the trailer neck, which would activate the surge brakes. Inserting a pin in the neck of the trailer prevents this from happening while the driver is backing up. If the pin is left in the neck of the trailer, the surge brake will be disabled. The pin must be removed when the vehicle is ready to travel.
Surge brakes are used primarily for trailers. They are used in place of electric brakes. The basic operating principal is quite simple---surge brakes rely on natural forces for operation. Surge brakes are actuated with centrifugal force. When a trailer is being towed behind a vehicle and the towing vehicle applies the brakes, the trailing vehicle continues to travel forward through centrifugal force relying on the tow vehicle to slow the forward motion. Surge brakes take advantage of this force to operate the trailer brakes.
How Surge Brakes Work
The neck of the trailer is two pieces. The front section with the hitch attachment is a separate piece. It is made to slide on a ledge into the back half of the neck. A master cylinder for the brakes is mounted to the back half of the neck and has a rod extending from the master cylinder to the front half of the neck. As the vehicle moves forward, the weight of the load will extend the two pieces, due to the load.
Applying the Brakes
When the towing vehicle's brakes are applied, the tow vehicle starts to slow and the centrifugal force causes the trailer and its load to push forward on the neck of the trailer, which in turn forces the front half of the trailer neck in. When the front neck is pushed into the back half, the rod is pushed into the master cylinder, which then applies the brakes. When the towing vehicle releases the brakes and moves forward, the neck once more extends and releases the brakes. The rod for the master cylinder can be adjusted to cause the brakes to come on sooner or later, whichever is desired.
Trailers with Surge Brakes
A trailer with surge brakes cannot be backed up without inserting a pin in the neck of the trailer. When the tow vehicle is in reverse, pushes in on the trailer neck, which would activate the surge brakes. Inserting a pin in the neck of the trailer prevents this from happening while the driver is backing up. If the pin is left in the neck of the trailer, the surge brake will be disabled. The pin must be removed when the vehicle is ready to travel.
Last edited by bobkyle2; 08-08-2012 at 07:23 AM.
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CorvetteDreamin (08-08-2012)
08-08-2012, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bobkyle2
You need to chill.
The surge brakes on my boat trailer have a 7pin plug witch allows for a release on the brakes to back up. Others have a release or pin to put in place while backing.
Thanks man
08-08-2012, 05:42 AM
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08-08-2012, 07:19 AM
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Back to OP's question - mine is the same way.
I use a 7-pin to 5-pin adapter and my integrated brake controller doesn't "see" the trailer.
The 5-pin adapter is just like a 4-pin with the reverse wire added. The reverse wire engages the electric (trailer) brake lockout allowing you to back the trailer up.
-Matt
I use a 7-pin to 5-pin adapter and my integrated brake controller doesn't "see" the trailer.
The 5-pin adapter is just like a 4-pin with the reverse wire added. The reverse wire engages the electric (trailer) brake lockout allowing you to back the trailer up.
-Matt
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bobkyle2 (08-08-2012)
08-08-2012, 07:24 AM
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Back to OP's question - mine is the same way.
I use a 7-pin to 5-pin adapter and my integrated brake controller doesn't "see" the trailer.
The 5-pin adapter is just like a 4-pin with the reverse wire added. The reverse wire engages the electric (trailer) brake lockout allowing you to back the trailer up.
-Matt
I use a 7-pin to 5-pin adapter and my integrated brake controller doesn't "see" the trailer.
The 5-pin adapter is just like a 4-pin with the reverse wire added. The reverse wire engages the electric (trailer) brake lockout allowing you to back the trailer up.
-Matt
