GVWR ...had no idea. :-(
11-20-2013, 10:35 PM
#71
One Bad MoFoMoCo Owner
Interesting that the payload in my truck is about 280 lbs more than a similarly equipped Eco. Wonder why?
At 1706, I'm down to 1400 as soon as I sit down in the truck. Wife, kid, dog, down to 1,100 pounds. Beach gear, around 600 lbs remaining. Looks like I'm good to go. Could load a quad if I had one.
At 1706, I'm down to 1400 as soon as I sit down in the truck. Wife, kid, dog, down to 1,100 pounds. Beach gear, around 600 lbs remaining. Looks like I'm good to go. Could load a quad if I had one.
11-20-2013, 10:46 PM
#72
Ive had my EcoBoost 157" 4x4 for almost a year now. Was considering bigger tires, etc...
Anyhow I got to reading and came across someone talking about the yellow sticker in the door stating maximum Cargo and occupants.
Well... Mine says 1233 lbs. I have the double bench option. 4 Boys, wife and 2 American Bulldogs + a Snugtop Sport Hi-Liner.
Boys are still young but they arent getting any lighter.
Right now the humans plus 230 lbs of pups = 930 lbs
I have no idea how much my camper shell weighs. (300 lbs?)
That would equal 1230 lbs. Not to mention my spray in bed liner. (50 lbs?)
Just driving down the road for fun, with NO gear, Im actually overweight.
Depressing.
Am I missing something or am I unfortunately spot on?
Ive loaded it up with camping stuff and coolers, etc.... Feels perfectly fine.
-Bryan
Anyhow I got to reading and came across someone talking about the yellow sticker in the door stating maximum Cargo and occupants.
Well... Mine says 1233 lbs. I have the double bench option. 4 Boys, wife and 2 American Bulldogs + a Snugtop Sport Hi-Liner.
Boys are still young but they arent getting any lighter.
Right now the humans plus 230 lbs of pups = 930 lbs
I have no idea how much my camper shell weighs. (300 lbs?)
That would equal 1230 lbs. Not to mention my spray in bed liner. (50 lbs?)
Just driving down the road for fun, with NO gear, Im actually overweight.
Depressing.
Am I missing something or am I unfortunately spot on?
Ive loaded it up with camping stuff and coolers, etc.... Feels perfectly fine.
-Bryan
11-20-2013, 10:56 PM
#73
Senior Member
Very similar with the E-150s. Very light GVWR to very heavy. I've had customers buy a van for conversion and have had to tell them they need an upgrade on the springs to allow me to add 700 to 1,000 lbs for the conversion. Do you know why pounds is abbreciated lbs? It has to do with Libra.
11-20-2013, 11:03 PM
#74
Senior Member
2011 screw 4x4 XLT with tow package. 1480 payload. Not to exceed or else! Hey, I almost have a 3/4 ton. 20 pounds shy.
11-20-2013, 11:36 PM
#76
~1200 pounds payload for a pickup truck? That seems ridiculously low. Let me go check mine.
EDIT: Mine's 1348... It's something i suppose... I checked the 'stang while i was outside and it was 800. Seems dumb to think your pickup truck can only cary ~450lbs more stuff than a damn Mustang...
EDIT: Mine's 1348... It's something i suppose... I checked the 'stang while i was outside and it was 800. Seems dumb to think your pickup truck can only cary ~450lbs more stuff than a damn Mustang...
Last edited by McCarthy; 11-20-2013 at 11:43 PM.
11-20-2013, 11:56 PM
#77
***edited a part out as I think I was wrong*** Its very easy to eat up payload on a 1/2 ton w/o the HD Payload package. This is almost always the reason most RV folks go up to a 3/4 ton pickup. Its not the pulling power, its the payload. RVs are tongue heavy (10-15% of their weight is supposed to go on the tongue; the more the better for sway reasons). Sure, my truck can tow 7700 pounds or something like that. And it can if its a utility trailer or maybe a boat. But not a camper, at least not one including my family and some stuff in the bed.
FWIW, the V8 5.0s get slightly more payload; one of the many reasons I chose it. You need the Max Trailer tow package on a EB to get more.
FWIW, the V8 5.0s get slightly more payload; one of the many reasons I chose it. You need the Max Trailer tow package on a EB to get more.
OP,
My previous 2010 F150 Screw 4WD 5.4L 5.5' bed truck had a 7200 lbs GVWR and a 1430 lbs payload. The new 2012 F150 Screw 4WD 5.0L 5.5' truck has a 7350 lbs GVWR and a 1582 lbs payload.
Most travel trailers have a 13% tongue weight and most weight distribution hitches distribute 80% (including hitch weight) to the truck's axles and 20% to the trailers axles. These aren't real numbers but averages I've seen posted, so they're good starting points.
My trailer is 6500 lbs loaded. 13% of 6500 is 845 lbs. Now 80% of 845 lbs is 676 lbs. So my trailer puts 676 lbs on my trucks axles. Now our family, cab gear, bed gear, and bed accessories ( tonneau cover @ 15# and Bedrug Bedliner @20#) is 800 lbs. So 676# + 800# = 1476#s of gear/people toward the payload. My payload is 1582# - 1476# = 106# left for any additional person/gear weight. Actually it allows the kids to grow up and gain weight.
With only 1233 lbs of payload, I would be limited. 1233 lbs - 800 lbs (gear/people) = 433 lbs left. 433/.80 (weight distribution) = 541 lbs tongue weight. 541 / .13 (average 13% tongue weight) = 4161 lbs "LOADED" trailer. Most trailers are 200 lbs over brochure weight due to options. Also most people load from 1000 to 1500 lbs in camping gear, clothes, food, fresh water, propane, and the such. Leaving out water, you may be able to have a total 1000 lbs over brochure weight spec. So that leaves you will a brochure weight of only 3161 lbs. That leaves tiny trailers with no headroom. The best bet would be a Forest River R-Pod as they seem to be the nicest and roomiest for their weight but are expensive.
Last edited by Mike Up; 11-21-2013 at 12:18 AM.
11-21-2013, 12:50 AM
#80
Here is the article that started this whole thing in my head:
http://www.tfltruck.com/2013/11/ike-gauntlet-2-0/
Great video included in article.
***from article***
This truck’s wheelbase is 145 inches and it’s rated at 7,200 lbs GVWR, 1,300 lbs of payload or a maximum 9,600 lbs of towing capacity.
......and in the end we measured 10,010 lbs of trailer + cargo. That’s not all. Don’t forget that Roman, Nathan, and Mr Truck Kent Sundling are in the truck to provide the data and commentary. Lets just say that the guys and gear add another 800 lbs. All together – the load is 10,810 lbs.
The engine and transmission will be stressed to the max gaining more than 2,000 feet of elevation in just eight miles. The maximum grade of this climb is 7%. And the engines will be starving for oxygen and struggling to make power at the 11,158 ft finish line.
http://www.tfltruck.com/2013/11/ike-gauntlet-2-0/
Great video included in article.
***from article***
This truck’s wheelbase is 145 inches and it’s rated at 7,200 lbs GVWR, 1,300 lbs of payload or a maximum 9,600 lbs of towing capacity.
......and in the end we measured 10,010 lbs of trailer + cargo. That’s not all. Don’t forget that Roman, Nathan, and Mr Truck Kent Sundling are in the truck to provide the data and commentary. Lets just say that the guys and gear add another 800 lbs. All together – the load is 10,810 lbs.
The engine and transmission will be stressed to the max gaining more than 2,000 feet of elevation in just eight miles. The maximum grade of this climb is 7%. And the engines will be starving for oxygen and struggling to make power at the 11,158 ft finish line.