Sweatmachine

I've searched around and haven't found exactly what I'm looking for.

I would like to put an XLT gauge cluster in my STX because I would like the additional features, displays, and information. I know this will work. I'm not questioning the functionality. I'm concerned about the legality.

It appears to me that if I find a cluster with the correct mileage (same mileage as my truck) I will be good in the eyes of the law and no documentation will be required. I would of course document for myself with photographs.

My main concerns are eventual sale/trade-in of my truck and a dealer catching on that there's a different cluster that wasn't available in my trim level, and concerns about potential warranty denial because of the dealer questioning the mileage. Then again the dealer may not ever notice the different cluster.

Does anyone have any thoughts or insight? Thanks

Sweatmachine

Here is the pertinant USC section dealing with Odometer Service, Repair and Replacement:

TITLE 49. TRANSPORTATION
SUBTITLE VI. MOTOR VEHICLE AND DRIVER PROGRAMS
PART C. INFORMATION, STANDARDS, AND REQUIREMENTS
CHAPTER 327. ODOMETERS

49 USCS § 32704 (2004)

§ 32704. Service, repair, and replacement

(a) Adjusting mileage. A person may service, repair, or replace an odometer of a motor vehicle if the mileage registered by the odometer remains the same as before the service, repair, or replacement. If the mileage cannot remain the same--
(1) the person shall adjust the odometer to read zero; and
(2) the owner of the vehicle or agent of the owner shall attach a written notice to the left door frame of the vehicle specifying the mileage before the service, repair, or replacement and the date of the service, repair, or replacement.

(b) Removing or altering notice. A person may not, with intent to defraud, remove or alter a notice attached to a motor vehicle as required by this section.

HISTORY:
(July 5, 1994, P.L. 103-272, § 1(e), 108 Stat. 1049.)

Here is the pertinant section dealing with Odometer Tampering:

TITLE 49. TRANSPORTATION
SUBTITLE VI. MOTOR VEHICLE AND DRIVER PROGRAMS
PART C. INFORMATION, STANDARDS, AND REQUIREMENTS
CHAPTER 327. ODOMETERS

49 USCS § 32703 (2004)

§ 32703. Preventing tampering

A person may not--
(1) advertise for sale, sell, use, install, or have installed, a device that makes an odometer of a motor vehicle register a mileage different from the mileage the vehicle was driven, as registered by the odometer within the designed tolerance of the manufacturer of the odometer;
(2) disconnect, reset, alter, or have disconnected, reset, or altered, an odometer of a motor vehicle intending to change the mileage registered by the odometer;
(3) with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or
(4) conspire to violate this section or section 32704 or 32705 of this title.

HISTORY:
(July 5, 1994, P.L. 103-272, § 1(e), 108 Stat. 1049; Oct. 31, 1994, P.L. 103-429, § 6(33), 108 Stat. 4380.)

caperJ

I have no experience but I can tell you this. The dealer needs to program it, this I know because I had to have mine replaced under warranty and I had to ensure I had all the keys when I brought it in because a new dash deletes all keys and only the dealer can fix it.

Sweatmachine

Here is the pertinant USC section that deals with Odometer Disclosure:

TITLE 49. TRANSPORTATION
SUBTITLE VI. MOTOR VEHICLE AND DRIVER PROGRAMS
PART C. INFORMATION, STANDARDS, AND REQUIREMENTS
CHAPTER 327. ODOMETERS

49 USCS § 32705 (2004)

§ 32705. Disclosure requirements on transfer of motor vehicles

(a) (1) Disclosure requirements. Under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Transportation that include the way in which information is disclosed and retained under this section, a person transferring ownership of a motor vehicle shall give the transferee the following written disclosure:
(A) Disclosure of the cumulative mileage registered on the odometer.
(B) Disclosure that the actual mileage is unknown, if the transferor knows that the odometer reading is different from the number of miles the vehicle has actually traveled.
(2) A person transferring ownership of a motor vehicle may not violate a regulation prescribed under this section or give a false statement to the transferee in making the disclosure required by such a regulation.
(3) A person acquiring a motor vehicle for resale may not accept a written disclosure under this section unless it is complete.
(4) (A) This subsection shall apply to all transfers of motor vehicles (unless otherwise exempted by the Secretary by regulation), except in the case of transfers of new motor vehicles from a vehicle manufacturer jointly to a dealer and a person engaged in the business of renting or leasing vehicles for a period of 30 days or less.
(B) For purposes of subparagraph (A), the term "new motor vehicle" means any motor vehicle driven with no more than the limited use necessary in moving, transporting, or road testing such vehicle prior to delivery from the vehicle manufacturer to a dealer, but in no event shall the odometer reading of such vehicle exceed 300 miles.
(5) The Secretary may exempt such classes or categories of vehicles as the Secretary deems appropriate from these requirements. Until such time as the Secretary amends or modifies the regulations set forth in 49 CFR 580.6, such regulations shall have full force and effect.

(b) Mileage statement requirement for licensing.
(1) A motor vehicle the ownership of which is transferred may not be licensed for use in a State unless the transferee, in submitting an application to a State for the title on which the license will be issued, includes with the application the transferor's title and, if that title contains the space referred to in paragraph (3)(A)(iii) of this subsection, a statement, signed and dated by the transferor, of the mileage disclosure required under subsection (a) of this section. This paragraph does not apply to a transfer of ownership of a motor vehicle that has not been licensed before the transfer.
(2) (A) Under regulations prescribed by the Secretary, if the title to a motor vehicle issued to a transferor by a State is in the possession of a lienholder when the transferor transfers ownership of the vehicle, the transferor may use a written power of attorney (if allowed by State law) in making the mileage disclosure required under subsection (a) of this section. Regulations prescribed under this paragraph--
(i) shall prescribe the form of the power of attorney;
(ii) shall provide that the form be printed by means of a secure printing process (or other secure process);
(iii) shall provide that the State issue the form to the transferee;
(iv) shall provide that the person exercising the power of attorney retain a copy and submit the original to the State with a copy of the title showing the restatement of the mileage;
(v) may require that the State retain the power of attorney and the copy of the title for an appropriate period or that the State adopt alternative measures consistent with section 32701(b) of this title, after considering the costs to the State;
(vi) shall ensure that the mileage at the time of transfer be disclosed on the power of attorney document;
(vii) shall ensure that the mileage be restated exactly by the person exercising the power of attorney in the space referred to in paragraph (3)(A)(iii) of this subsection;
(viii) may not require that a motor vehicle be titled in the State in which the power of attorney was issued;
(ix) shall consider the need to facilitate normal commercial transactions in the sale or exchange of motor vehicles; and
(x) shall provide other conditions the Secretary considers appropriate.
(B) Section 32709(a) and (b) applies to a person granting or granted a power of attorney under this paragraph.
(3) (A) A motor vehicle the ownership of which is transferred may not be licensed for use in a State unless the title issued by the State to the transferee--
(i) is produced by means of a secure printing process (or other secure process);
(ii) indicates the mileage disclosure required to be made under subsection (a) of this section; and
(iii) contains a space for the transferee to disclose the mileage at the time of a future transfer and to sign and date the disclosure.
(B) Subparagraph (A) of this paragraph does not require a State to verify, or preclude a State from verifying, the mileage information contained in the title.

(c) Leased motor vehicles.
(1) For a leased motor vehicle, the regulations prescribed under subsection (a) of this section shall require written disclosure about mileage to be made by the lessee to the lessor when the lessor transfers ownership of that vehicle.
(2) Under those regulations, the lessor shall provide written notice to the lessee of--
(A) the lessee's mileage disclosure requirements under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(B) the penalties for failure to comply with those requirements.
(3) The lessor shall retain the disclosures made by a lessee under paragraph (1) of this subsection for at least 4 years following the date the lessor transfers the leased motor vehicle.
(4) If the lessor transfers ownership of a leased motor vehicle without obtaining possession of the vehicle, the lessor, in making the disclosure required by subsection (a) of this section, may indicate on the title the mileage disclosed by the lessee under paragraph (1) of this subsection unless the lessor has reason to believe that the disclosure by the lessee does not reflect the actual mileage of the vehicle.

(d) State alternate vehicle mileage disclosure requirements. The requirements of subsections (b) and (c)(1) of this section on the disclosure of motor vehicle mileage when motor vehicles are transferred or leased apply in a State unless the State has in effect alternate motor vehicle mileage disclosure requirements approved by the Secretary. The Secretary shall approve alternate motor vehicle mileage disclosure requirements submitted by a State unless the Secretary decides that the requirements are not consistent with the purpose of the disclosure required by subsection (b) or (c), as the case may be.

(e) Auction sales. If a motor vehicle is sold at an auction, the auction company conducting the auction shall maintain the following records for at least 4 years after the date of the sale:
(1) the name of the most recent owner of the motor vehicle (except the auction company) and the name of the buyer of the motor vehicle.
(2) the vehicle identification number required under chapter 301 or 331 of this title [49 USCS §§ 30101 et seq. or 33101 et seq.].
(3) the odometer reading on the date the auction company took possession of the motor vehicle.

(f) Application and revision of State law.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, subsections (b)-(e) of this section apply to the transfer of a motor vehicle after April 28, 1989.
(2) If a State requests, the Secretary shall assist the State in revising its laws to comply with subsection (b) of this section. If a State requires time beyond April 28, 1989, to revise its laws to achieve compliance, the Secretary, on request of the State, may grant additional time that the Secretary considers reasonable by publishing a notice in the Federal Register. The notice shall include the reasons for granting the additional time. In granting additional time, the Secretary shall ensure that the State is making reasonable efforts to achieve compliance.

HISTORY:
(July 5, 1994, P.L. 103-272, § 1(e), 108 Stat. 1049; Oct. 31, 1994, P.L. 103-429, § 6(34), 108 Stat. 4380; Oct. 11, 1996, P.L. 104-287, § 5(62), 110 Stat. 3394.)
(As amended June 9, 1998, P.L. 105-178, Title VII, Subtitle A, § 7105, 112 Stat. 467.)

Sweatmachine

I'm not sure that's 100% accurate in all cases. Hodown replaced the cluster in his STX with an XLT cluster with no dealer interaction. It's documented in his build thread.

I've read of at least 2 other similar cases on this forum, with cluster swaps with no dealer involvement.

caperJ

Could be right I am just speaking from experience on my 11, one led on the PRND12 was unlit they had to replace and reprogram keys ACCORDING to WO, may e Ford BS.

NukeWelder

Steering wheel buttons are different on the left side, wonder if that will be an issue? I'm interested on hearing what you find out, I have an STX also.

Sweatmachine

You have to change out the buttons on the left of the steering wheel also but that doesn't appear to be too difficult.

Robob

As long as you get a new dash cluster unit that hasn't had milage data from a PCM on it you shouldn't need any dealer programming as milage data isn't only stored in the dash module. The info screens etc are the only thing Id be unsure about

If you get a used one with milage info on it already the dealer will have to re-flash as its a one shot deal once they get plugged in the dash pulls the data and your done.

You can check doorman or other aftermarket companies to see if they do remanufactured dashes yet but as far as I know as of now they are mostly GM only (cuz they always have bad dashes)

Sweatmachine

I'm pretty sure a used cluster with the correct mileage will just plug right in and work without any dealer intervention or programming needed. That's according to posts I've found on here in multiple threads.

Again, I'm not questioning what needs to happen to make it work. I'm wondering about the legality and concerns about warranty and resale.