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Old 05-10-2014, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cmoshea
If that happens ill be finding an attorney, just as a note the test was not done by ford, it was done by a CAT service center in my area. So however ford is taking those results as if there is nothing wrong with my truck, but trucks don't just make oil. Hopefully I'll hear from blackstone soon, I shipped it last week, they should have the sample by now.
got my results from blackstone and I am happy to say that they measured less than .5% fuel in my oil. They stated that the viscosity isn't an issue.

CAT at ~ 1 % and Blackstone at <0.5 %, no issue with wear metals on either.

I'm going to continue to take samples for piece of mind but for now I can sleep easier not thinking I'm driving a grenade with a loss pin.
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Old 05-10-2014, 08:38 PM
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That's great to hear! Glad you got the piece of mind that all is well. Oil analyses are truly the best way for anyone to get to the bottom of any issues they may be having or suspect they are having.

Issues with these engines are very low outside of parts failing like High Pressure Fuel Pumps, Injectors, etc. There sure are no inherent issues with them (like PCV systems) or you would see it in an oil analysis.

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Old 05-11-2014, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FordService
Hey folks,

If you're concerned that a service bulletin may apply to your vehicle, give your dealerships a call so they can check; they'll be in the best position to determine if service is needed. If you have any questions or concerns, just let me know.

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A little concerned here. Fuel in the Oil is not good

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Old 05-11-2014, 10:11 PM
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And why most with the ecoboost that do oil analysis are seeing the high levels of fuel and wear metals.

I am wondering why a Major Ford dealer ordered the RX systems to test on 23 problem F150 EB's recently if their is nothing wrong with the systems and all this is imagined.....and Monster systems at that.

Anxious to see what they report as far as findings.

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And why most with the ecoboost that do oil analysis are seeing the high levels of fuel and wear metals.
They are not. I've yet to see a single report of an oil analysis showing actual problems. I follow the ecoboost uoa threads on bitog religiously. I've not seen one bad yet. Sure, there is faster loss of viscosity and some dilution. But even then there is zero evidence of problems with wear metals except in a few cases where dilution was extreme and it turned out to have other issues.

Even the ones with highest fuel dilution show no wear issues. Stating otherwise is simply fear mongering.

Do you have reports contrary? Post up. I can link to dozens on bitog easily.

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Most, if not all, Eco owners on this site who have done the analysis with their oil has come back clean...where do you get that claim? Your own results, love to see the stats, it would be more helpful then just a blanket claim that everyone with a Eco has gas in oil! 2013 Eco here and no smell and dipstick level has not moved in over 20,000 miles. Seems to me an isolated issue and not as widespread as someone wants it to be.
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Originally Posted by Tuner Boost
And why most with the ecoboost that do oil analysis are seeing the high levels of fuel and wear metals.
Got the scans of the reports? Links to threads? Should be easy, as "most" are seeing it.

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I am wondering why a Major Ford dealer ordered the RX systems to test on 23 problem F150 EB's recently if their is nothing wrong with the systems and all this is imagined.....and Monster systems at that.
Some people are easily taken in by scams, being a dealer makes you no exception. I've seen some pretty horrific dealer experiences posted on this forum, so the fact that some dealer somewhere is ordering your kit don't mean poop.

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Anxious to see what they report as far as findings.

I fully expect this test to fully support your conclusion, whatever the data said notwithstanding.
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About 1 oz. of gasoline in your oil when you drained it for a test ?
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Originally Posted by Carly19
Most, if not all, Eco owners on this site who have done the analysis with their oil has come back clean...where do you get that claim? Your own results, love to see the stats, it would be more helpful then just a blanket claim that everyone with a Eco has gas in oil! 2013 Eco here and no smell and dipstick level has not moved in over 20,000 miles. Seems to me an isolated issue and not as widespread as someone wants it to be.
I am an Ecoboost owner and wish this was all a rumor but My question is if it isn't a widespread issue why would Ford have a TSB for it ? Also, the TSB states '11 '12 '13 '14 models years? ( I only have 500 mi. on my Truck and hope I never see any issues). Sounds like a real issue to me. No matter how much wear or metal is found in the oil doesn't mean its not wearing excessively. How many miles on Oil change? How much load on engine during that oil run ? How much of it was under cold starts ? Short Runs when the fuel system delivers more fuel? Long runs after warm up when the engine needs less fuel? All the questions leave a lot to be assumed. there are so many variables that most of us have depended on Fords Engineers and testers to make sure the vehicle was ready for market. First year in production maybe .. Problem and fix identified during first production run or model year. Its really hard to believe that a TSB for Gasoline Diluted Oil covers 4 model years... Oil viscosity? how about when your cylinder walls are getting bathed in gasoline from over-active direct injection? That causes metal to metal friction and wear. The amount of gas in your oil would vary on mileage between oil changes, Short or long runs. The amount of wear caused would vary wit about of dilution and the amount of load placed on the engine at the time. There is no guessing here. It Fuel or anything else for that matter is diluting in the motor oil its a ticking time bomb. Eventually it will fail. When you dilute your motor oil with Gasoline, it simply is not a good thing at all. It has to have some adverse consequences down the road. The question isn't if its doing damage, the question is ...
Is it a reality or not? Guessing by the TSB, It looks like it's an acknowledged reality. Maybe extended Warranties? Maybe Engine replacements with Engine of owner's choice is the fix. But a TSB as a stab to prolong already shorted engine life doesn't seem like a resolution to the owner at all. Think of it this way. After premature engine wear is caused, maybe not evident at the time but will show up in engine longevity down the road... After warranty is over ? A TSB is not a fix for an engine that has had excessive Fuel found int he motor Oil. Anytime an engine runs without proper lubrication it will wear and shorten engine life. there's no guessing on that.

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Originally Posted by Tuner Boost
And why most with the ecoboost that do oil analysis are seeing the high levels of fuel and wear metals.
Please point us all to these "Most" cause you do realize that most is over 300,001 Ecoboosts with these "issues", right.

Like others I also am over on Bob Is The Oil Guy (THE most respected oil-head's site) and have not seen UOA's that have any of those issues from properly functioning issues. No high wear metals, just a little dilution which is expected in a DI engine, and maybe a little lower viscosity but nothing out of the ordinary in a properly functioning engine. If something is wrong then obviously there will be issues.

Heck, even those here that have posted their reports show nothing really out of the ordinary in a properly functioning engine.

Nor have there been any write-ups in any publications confirming your outlandish claims. Heck, you can't even substantiate your claims with any hard data when asked.

I am wondering why a Major Ford dealer ordered the RX systems to test on 23 problem F150 EB's recently if their is nothing wrong with the systems and all this is imagined.....and Monster systems at that.
Cause you are a good salesman.


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