Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test videos
11-27-2010, 08:54 AM
#11
Senior Member
Looks like a couple more tests (videos) are going to happen before the teardown video. I am interested to see what they find when they crack it open.
Hopefully, Ford will be honest and point out the areas that have suffered along with the success stories. You know, stuff like "the turbo bearings were close to failure" or "there was some scoring on the piston skirt". If they come back and imply that there was little sign of wear or imminent failure I would question the truthfulness of the autopsy.
It would also be nice if they would state what kind of fluids, filters, change intervals, etc. that they used in the engine during the torture tests.
Hopefully, Ford will be honest and point out the areas that have suffered along with the success stories. You know, stuff like "the turbo bearings were close to failure" or "there was some scoring on the piston skirt". If they come back and imply that there was little sign of wear or imminent failure I would question the truthfulness of the autopsy.
It would also be nice if they would state what kind of fluids, filters, change intervals, etc. that they used in the engine during the torture tests.
11-27-2010, 02:20 PM
#12
Looks like a couple more tests (videos) are going to happen before the teardown video. I am interested to see what they find when they crack it open.
Hopefully, Ford will be honest and point out the areas that have suffered along with the success stories. You know, stuff like "the turbo bearings were close to failure" or "there was some scoring on the piston skirt". If they come back and imply that there was little sign of wear or imminent failure I would question the truthfulness of the autopsy.
It would also be nice if they would state what kind of fluids, filters, change intervals, etc. that they used in the engine during the torture tests.
Hopefully, Ford will be honest and point out the areas that have suffered along with the success stories. You know, stuff like "the turbo bearings were close to failure" or "there was some scoring on the piston skirt". If they come back and imply that there was little sign of wear or imminent failure I would question the truthfulness of the autopsy.
It would also be nice if they would state what kind of fluids, filters, change intervals, etc. that they used in the engine during the torture tests.
SO............. your saying that unless something is wrong its a lie?
11-28-2010, 07:50 AM
#13
Senior Member
Do you believe that an engine could go through any type of endurance testing and not show signs of wear or failure? All mechanical devices will show evidence of wear after use and all mechanical devices will eventually fail in one way or another. It is because we haven't discovered a way to eliminate friction. If Ford tears this engine down and reports the bad and the good, then their integrity rating will increase with me. It would also be a way to show the public their commitment to continuous improvement and product reliablility. What better way to sell a product than that?
11-28-2010, 03:46 PM
#15
Do you believe that an engine could go through any type of endurance testing and not show signs of wear or failure? All mechanical devices will show evidence of wear after use and all mechanical devices will eventually fail in one way or another. It is because we haven't discovered a way to eliminate friction. If Ford tears this engine down and reports the bad and the good, then their integrity rating will increase with me. It would also be a way to show the public their commitment to continuous improvement and product reliablility. What better way to sell a product than that?
You said if something is not wrong IE about to fail then its all BS, thats what I was commenting on but this post clears it up for me a little. Oh and thanks for only being a little bit of a smart *** and not a full force one.
11-28-2010, 04:22 PM
#16
Senior Member
Please explain how my statements concerning friction and wear are incorrect.
I'm sorry if I offended you, I was only trying to have a discussion revolving around the generally accepted concept that things wear out and break and that an honest evaluation of a mechanical autopsy will point out both strong and weak areas.
I welcome and accept correction in areas that I'm wrong. This will help me to become a better, more knowledgeable person overall and prevent the perpetuation of misinformation.
I'm sorry if I offended you, I was only trying to have a discussion revolving around the generally accepted concept that things wear out and break and that an honest evaluation of a mechanical autopsy will point out both strong and weak areas.
I welcome and accept correction in areas that I'm wrong. This will help me to become a better, more knowledgeable person overall and prevent the perpetuation of misinformation.
11-28-2010, 05:00 PM
#17
Please explain how my statements concerning friction and wear are incorrect.
I'm sorry if I offended you, I was only trying to have a discussion revolving around the generally accepted concept that things wear out and break and that an honest evaluation of a mechanical autopsy will point out both strong and weak areas.
I welcome and accept correction in areas that I'm wrong. This will help me to become a better, more knowledgeable person overall and prevent the perpetuation of misinformation.
I'm sorry if I offended you, I was only trying to have a discussion revolving around the generally accepted concept that things wear out and break and that an honest evaluation of a mechanical autopsy will point out both strong and weak areas.
I welcome and accept correction in areas that I'm wrong. This will help me to become a better, more knowledgeable person overall and prevent the perpetuation of misinformation.
No your good, I was thanking you for explaining it in an appropriate way to my smart *** question I proposed to you. I understand now what you were saying. In a simmilar situation many others would have handled that diffenrently. Thats all i was saying.
11-30-2010, 10:47 PM
#18
You eat the tires up faster when you travel faster....they were hauling almost 10 tons around at speeds of 100mph at times. Some exotic cars running at full speeds over 200mph run out of tires faster than they run out of gas...
....so I've heard....
I'm more curious what kind of oil would allow 200,000 rpms on the turbos consistently for 24 hours without burning up the oil and ruining the engine. Looking at the time compared to the miles traveled, I wouldn't think they had time to change it along with the gas and tires at intervals...but how do I know....if they did..it would make sense to me how the oil and the motor and the turbos stood up to that kind of abuse...
I know one thing, when I punch my truck...the SC cranks the head temps 25 degrees in ten seconds or less and then i'm off of it.....I can't imagine the head temps on that thing running that fast at full boost pulling that kind of weight.....if they didn't change the oil, and the coolant kept the heads from cracking...i'm extremely impressed and surely do see a 4-door raptor with a EB v6 in my future...
also have to consider tire temps when traveling that fast and hauling that kind of weight...not sure those 2-ply tires are rated for that kind of speed and weight over that amount of time....they might have just been swapping them for cooling purposes...
....so I've heard....
I'm more curious what kind of oil would allow 200,000 rpms on the turbos consistently for 24 hours without burning up the oil and ruining the engine. Looking at the time compared to the miles traveled, I wouldn't think they had time to change it along with the gas and tires at intervals...but how do I know....if they did..it would make sense to me how the oil and the motor and the turbos stood up to that kind of abuse...
I know one thing, when I punch my truck...the SC cranks the head temps 25 degrees in ten seconds or less and then i'm off of it.....I can't imagine the head temps on that thing running that fast at full boost pulling that kind of weight.....if they didn't change the oil, and the coolant kept the heads from cracking...i'm extremely impressed and surely do see a 4-door raptor with a EB v6 in my future...
also have to consider tire temps when traveling that fast and hauling that kind of weight...not sure those 2-ply tires are rated for that kind of speed and weight over that amount of time....they might have just been swapping them for cooling purposes...
On large diesel engines the do what is call a B10 and B15 rating. They put 10 or 15 engines on dynos and run them till there all dead. They do oil changes and other maintenance but they are at maximum power the whole time. Then when there all dead they average the life time for the rating. To pull studies from Ford diesel and apply them to something with much less compression would make sense.
I read somewhere, could be crap, that people use to take old GM car diesel and convert them to gas for a strong bottom end. Source : http://www.forgottendiesels.com/5.7_oldsmobile.html
This would explain the deep skirts on gas engines.
12-09-2010, 01:09 AM
#19
BLOWN club
And another thing that makes me question the info on these videos, not that it isn't true or anything, my dad had a turbo diesel and he told me that the rpm's on the turbo never broke 20k rpm's. Granted, it was back in the mid nighties that he had the truck, but 20K and 200K as represented in the video are a long ways apart!!!