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Ford F-150 Ecoboost problems limp mode and many other issues
http://www.f150forum.com/f38/ford-f-...issues-157704/
ISSUE
Around the 20,000 mile mark, Ford F-150 EcoBoost is having the following problems:
• Engine mis-firing while idle
• Returns to idle when accelerating to merge onto freeway
• Reverse camera issues
• Random check engine light
Potential Cause
• Blown Engine
o To diagnose a potential blown engine, Summertop511 suggests using a compression checker to check cylinder compression. All cylinders should be within 15 psi of eachother, otherwise there is a blown engine possibility.
Read below for the full discussion…
http://www.f150forum.com/f38/ford-f-...issues-157704/
ISSUE
Around the 20,000 mile mark, Ford F-150 EcoBoost is having the following problems:
• Engine mis-firing while idle
• Returns to idle when accelerating to merge onto freeway
• Reverse camera issues
• Random check engine light
Potential Cause
• Blown Engine
o To diagnose a potential blown engine, Summertop511 suggests using a compression checker to check cylinder compression. All cylinders should be within 15 psi of eachother, otherwise there is a blown engine possibility.
Read below for the full discussion…
Ford F-150 Ecoboost problems limp mode and many other issues
01-30-2013, 06:05 PM
#301
01-30-2013, 06:06 PM
#302
Turbos yes. Ecoboost wait and see.
WOW....you said and I quote "I see the ecoboost as an experiment and the purchasers as weak-minded people who think you can get something for nothing." You must have alot of Face Palm moments..... I'm not debating which engine is better both are great and to say that the Ecoboost is an experiment!!!! Really????? you should be a comedian. I just laughed so hard reading that, I sure hope you don't actually believe what you type. If it was an experiment then Ford would not be putting them in 80% of their vehicle lineup and Range Rover would not be using the Ecoboost in their SUV's. Also like how you assume that a turbo lasts 100k and costs $3,000 to replace. You must just speak without researching, new 3.5L turbo is $475.00 and most turbos last 300k - 400k miles, just ask any truck driver.
You need to just go park your truck or better yet sell it and go back to a horse and buggy because at one time a gas engine was an experiment and would hate to call you a weak minded person cause then you'd be a hypocrite. Unbelievable......
You need to just go park your truck or better yet sell it and go back to a horse and buggy because at one time a gas engine was an experiment and would hate to call you a weak minded person cause then you'd be a hypocrite. Unbelievable......
Again false logic: Ford is putting them in 80% of their cars, so they must be good. No. They are sitting on the lots. Ecoboost is a sales gimmick that will make ford rich--not you.
False Logic: The turbos cost $475. You forgot to install them. Ford is charging over $1000 to install them. If you work for free, please send contact info. because I can definitely afford you. as to turbos lasting 300-400k, I bet not even close. The new turbos are more complicated. Ford puts the service life at 150k. The warranty if 5 yrs/60k. If I bought the ecoboost, I would definitely invest in an extended warranty. Oops there goes another $2000. $1000 of which the dealer paid out and pocketed the other $1000 for himself. My 95 f150 never needed any warranty work whatsoever. Neither will my 2013 5.0. The debate here is foolish. We are talking about history and the present. Go find anywhere where there is a huge discussion about problems with the V8--they are far and few between. The only way ecoboost beats 5.0 is by factory design. Give me a supercharger and I get 700hp. Why? You bought the hype--not I. I don't thing being suckered is a bit funny! Talk smack, but let's compare maintenance costs at 300k. The F150 Turbos are not going to make the journey except in isolated instances.
01-30-2013, 06:17 PM
#303
Skinner there are two possibilities. You are right and it is still 1980. Or you have no clue what you are talking about.
Some turbos will fail early. About the same proportion of 5.0s that blow at 100,000 miles. Turbos regularly last longer than the engine they power. 300,000 miles is not unusual on a diesel turbo. Gas turbos have been on European cars for years.
Of course Ford could have put turbos with quality on the level of two piece spark plugs. In which case we will wait for your I told you so.
Some turbos will fail early. About the same proportion of 5.0s that blow at 100,000 miles. Turbos regularly last longer than the engine they power. 300,000 miles is not unusual on a diesel turbo. Gas turbos have been on European cars for years.
Of course Ford could have put turbos with quality on the level of two piece spark plugs. In which case we will wait for your I told you so.
01-30-2013, 06:28 PM
#304
I've read all of the posts from the OP on this.
What type of fuel do you run in the truck?
I ask for a few reasons. I have a 100% stock EB with 30k miles in SE Texas as well. Luckily I haven't experienced these issues. I have run a datalogger on my truck before though, and I notice the tune on these things is BEYOND conservative. With so little timing in the engine at times you really heat up the exhaust gases. This is going to kill catalytic converters in a hurry. Cars do not run well like that obviously. If you were to datalog and compare the times when you had trouble and didn't, you should see the air/fuel ratio being leaner with clogged cats.
Ford is new to the turbo game on gas engines, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the ECM tuning worked out. People comparing them to the imports who run turbos without issue are not factoring in the years those manufacturers had to get things right. The guys running the front mount intercoolers you see around on evo's, etc are likely running as much timing advance as the car will take to make the most power. Even still, most of them ditch the cats. In the aftermarket world, most people except that cats will get clogged on boosted engines eventually.
I don't see how intercooler condensation could be a major issue. It is air-air. I've never seen it in aftermarket applications on air-air intercoolers, and people generally going with the biggest damn thing they can fit!
Back to the fuel issue. I haven't observed what changes regarding the air/fuel ratio and timing advance with premium fuel, but if it is much more aggressive, that may be a way to avoid this issue. I'm curious if your driving habits have into boost a lot or wide open often.
What type of fuel do you run in the truck?
I ask for a few reasons. I have a 100% stock EB with 30k miles in SE Texas as well. Luckily I haven't experienced these issues. I have run a datalogger on my truck before though, and I notice the tune on these things is BEYOND conservative. With so little timing in the engine at times you really heat up the exhaust gases. This is going to kill catalytic converters in a hurry. Cars do not run well like that obviously. If you were to datalog and compare the times when you had trouble and didn't, you should see the air/fuel ratio being leaner with clogged cats.
Ford is new to the turbo game on gas engines, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the ECM tuning worked out. People comparing them to the imports who run turbos without issue are not factoring in the years those manufacturers had to get things right. The guys running the front mount intercoolers you see around on evo's, etc are likely running as much timing advance as the car will take to make the most power. Even still, most of them ditch the cats. In the aftermarket world, most people except that cats will get clogged on boosted engines eventually.
I don't see how intercooler condensation could be a major issue. It is air-air. I've never seen it in aftermarket applications on air-air intercoolers, and people generally going with the biggest damn thing they can fit!
Back to the fuel issue. I haven't observed what changes regarding the air/fuel ratio and timing advance with premium fuel, but if it is much more aggressive, that may be a way to avoid this issue. I'm curious if your driving habits have into boost a lot or wide open often.
01-31-2013, 12:12 AM
#305
Senior Member
Thread Starter
I've read all of the posts from the OP on this.
What type of fuel do you run in the truck?
I ask for a few reasons. I have a 100% stock EB with 30k miles in SE Texas as well. Luckily I haven't experienced these issues. I have run a datalogger on my truck before though, and I notice the tune on these things is BEYOND conservative. With so little timing in the engine at times you really heat up the exhaust gases. This is going to kill catalytic converters in a hurry. Cars do not run well like that obviously. If you were to datalog and compare the times when you had trouble and didn't, you should see the air/fuel ratio being leaner with clogged cats.
Ford is new to the turbo game on gas engines, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the ECM tuning worked out. People comparing them to the imports who run turbos without issue are not factoring in the years those manufacturers had to get things right. The guys running the front mount intercoolers you see around on evo's, etc are likely running as much timing advance as the car will take to make the most power. Even still, most of them ditch the cats. In the aftermarket world, most people except that cats will get clogged on boosted engines eventually.
I don't see how intercooler condensation could be a major issue. It is air-air. I've never seen it in aftermarket applications on air-air intercoolers, and people generally going with the biggest damn thing they can fit!
Back to the fuel issue. I haven't observed what changes regarding the air/fuel ratio and timing advance with premium fuel, but if it is much more aggressive, that may be a way to avoid this issue. I'm curious if your driving habits have into boost a lot or wide open often.
What type of fuel do you run in the truck?
I ask for a few reasons. I have a 100% stock EB with 30k miles in SE Texas as well. Luckily I haven't experienced these issues. I have run a datalogger on my truck before though, and I notice the tune on these things is BEYOND conservative. With so little timing in the engine at times you really heat up the exhaust gases. This is going to kill catalytic converters in a hurry. Cars do not run well like that obviously. If you were to datalog and compare the times when you had trouble and didn't, you should see the air/fuel ratio being leaner with clogged cats.
Ford is new to the turbo game on gas engines, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the ECM tuning worked out. People comparing them to the imports who run turbos without issue are not factoring in the years those manufacturers had to get things right. The guys running the front mount intercoolers you see around on evo's, etc are likely running as much timing advance as the car will take to make the most power. Even still, most of them ditch the cats. In the aftermarket world, most people except that cats will get clogged on boosted engines eventually.
I don't see how intercooler condensation could be a major issue. It is air-air. I've never seen it in aftermarket applications on air-air intercoolers, and people generally going with the biggest damn thing they can fit!
Back to the fuel issue. I haven't observed what changes regarding the air/fuel ratio and timing advance with premium fuel, but if it is much more aggressive, that may be a way to avoid this issue. I'm curious if your driving habits have into boost a lot or wide open often.
01-31-2013, 09:07 AM
#306
Junior Member
If you go to the Ford website and punch in that you want the Ecoboost, they add $2400. You are correct, that is not $2500. If you want the 5.0, they add $1000, but they rebate $500. So you are right again, it is only a difference of $1900, which is little more than a dime. I am not looking to start a war. I am saying that new ideas often don't work out and I just bought a new truck. I researched the ecoboost and decided against it. Please don't confuse intelligent-analysis with anything else. All I ever said was there is no magic in turbos. The extra performance that is created by forcing more performance out of a smaller engine is going to shorted the engine life. The economy is bought with with smaller pistons and fewer having less friction. I just don't think it is worth it. As to the resale value of one over the other, in ten years I believe people will go for the V8, which will have a lower cost of maintenance.
As to "looking for help with problems," shouldn't that be Ford's problem? Excuse me Dealer, "My truck is running like crap, can you fix it" seems alot more productive than cruising the web bitching like a woman. I'm mostly kidding--so be offended--I don't really care.
As to "looking for help with problems," shouldn't that be Ford's problem? Excuse me Dealer, "My truck is running like crap, can you fix it" seems alot more productive than cruising the web bitching like a woman. I'm mostly kidding--so be offended--I don't really care.
It doesn't matter what Fords website says it costs for the Ecoboost, all that matters is what you end up paying at the dealership. I dont pay sticker price and I didnt pay anywhere near what their "website" says the truck should cost. Maybe you, with all your intelligent analysis paid sticker, but most don't.
Your hypothetical estimated maintenance costs(and everyone elses)mean nothing, its all guesses. Your engine life projections, again all guesses. You are pricing out parts based of pricing now for 10 years down the road? what good does that do? To answer the question about replacing the turbos, installing them is free, I would do it myself. So CHA CHING just saved 1000 hypothetical dollars BOO YAH.
I am not bitching like a woman, but you sound like someone who always has to be right. I have a small problem with my truck stuttering and wanted to get some feedback from others who may have experienced the same issue. It isn't running like crap, it just occasionally stutters. Its scheduled for Ford to fix on Friday. All mechanics, and dealerships not being equal, I wanted to know if there was anything specific I could tell them to help minimize any discrepancies with them.
directly @ RRSKINNER. Your posts are nothing more than a forum troll, trying to prove how you made a better decision. Pat yourself on the back for getting the 5.0L, good job guy.
You are so smart.Why don't you hop out of the Ecoboost threads, since you dont have one and go start a 5.0L thread and talk about how stupid all Ecoboost owners are?
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01-31-2013, 09:54 AM
#307
Your logic at the end is false. Sell your truck and buy a horse. I would not have been the first to replace my horse either. I would have waited until to buy a car until the technology would replace my horse. You on the other hand would sell your horse and be walking when the car broke down.
False Logic: The turbos cost $475. You forgot to install them. Ford is charging over $1000 to install them. If you work for free, please send contact info. because I can definitely afford you. as to turbos lasting 300-400k, I bet not even close. The new turbos are more complicated. Ford puts the service life at 150k. The warranty if 5 yrs/60k. If I bought the ecoboost, I would definitely invest in an extended warranty. Oops there goes another $2000. $1000 of which the dealer paid out and pocketed the other $1000 for himself. My 95 f150 never needed any warranty work whatsoever. Neither will my 2013 5.0. The debate here is foolish. We are talking about history and the present. Go find anywhere where there is a huge discussion about problems with the V8--they are far and few between. The only way ecoboost beats 5.0 is by factory design. Give me a supercharger and I get 700hp. Why? You bought the hype--not I. I don't thing being suckered is a bit funny! Talk smack, but let's compare maintenance costs at 300k. The F150 Turbos are not going to make the journey except in isolated instances.
Quote "Again false logic: Ford is putting them in 80% of their cars, so they must be good. No. They are sitting on the lots. Ecoboost is a sales gimmick that will make ford rich--not you."
You were right on one thing...it's not 80%, its more like 90%. And the Ecoboost is out selling the 5.0 48% to 46%
Here is a list of Ecoboost Vehicles
Application Ecoboost I-3
(118 kW; 158 hp)
Ford C-MAX 2010-13
Ford Focus 2010-13
Volvo S60 2010-13
Volvo V60 2012-13
Volvo V40 2012-13 160 PS
(132 kW; 178hp I-3)
2011— Ford Mondeo
2011— Ford S-Max 180 PS
(147 kW; 197 hp)
2010-13— Ford C-MAX
2013— Ford Fusion
2010-13— Volvo S60
2010-13— Volvo V60
2011-13— Volvo V70
2011-13— Volvo S80
2012-13— Volvo V40
2013— Ford Escape 200 PS
2014— Ford Fiesta ST
Applications 2.0L Ecoboost I-4
2010–13 Ford S-MAX
2010–13 Ford Galaxy
2010–13 Ford Mondeo
2010–2011 Volvo S60 2.0T 2010–2011 Volvo V60 2.0T
2011–13 Ford Mondeo
2011–13 Ford Explorer
2011–13 Ford Edge
2011–13 Range Rover Evoque
2011–13 Ford S-MAX
2012–13 Ford Falcon
2013–13 Ford Escape
2013- Land Rover Freelander 2
2013- Ford Fusion
2013- Ford Taurus
2013– Ford Focus ST 30
Applications 3.5L Ecoboost V6
2013- Ford Explorer Sport.
2010– 13 Ford Flex
2010–13 Lincoln MKS
2010–13 Lincoln MKT
2010–13 Ford Taurus SHO 365 hp
2011-13 Ford F-150
I could go on all day backing up my facts, but at the end of the day you have your mind made up, and the 5.0 is your Superhero engine. Good for you and enjoy it for the next 400k miles. I never keep a vehicle past 90k miles anyway cause I like new vehicles and technology... maybe in your eyes "I'm a sucker and a fool" but we suckers are the ones who move the auto industry forward. You can thank me later..
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01-31-2013, 10:24 AM
#308
Junior Member
01-31-2013, 10:36 AM
#309
Senior Member
Sorry smurfs i ment to quote RRSkinner
Just did two trade in quotes......same truck, 2011 xlt crew 4x4 with same mileage. One 5oh and one ecoboost. The funny thing is that on the low end and high end it was $1200 more for the ecobost.
So for my 1200 dollar investment i get a same return.
5oh low end $25000
High end $27700
Ecoboost low end$26200
High end$28920
Also the ecoboost up here is a $2250 option over base v6
5oh is a $1000 option over base v6.
So my math tells me that it is a $1250 option over the v8 not $ as you quoted
Just did two trade in quotes......same truck, 2011 xlt crew 4x4 with same mileage. One 5oh and one ecoboost. The funny thing is that on the low end and high end it was $1200 more for the ecobost.
So for my 1200 dollar investment i get a same return.
5oh low end $25000
High end $27700
Ecoboost low end$26200
High end$28920
Also the ecoboost up here is a $2250 option over base v6
5oh is a $1000 option over base v6.
So my math tells me that it is a $1250 option over the v8 not $ as you quoted
Last edited by f150man3.5; 01-31-2013 at 10:40 AM.
01-31-2013, 11:05 AM
#310
When I bought my truck in July of 2011 my Ecoboost and all Ecoboost were only $750 option over the 5.0. So I didnt loose anything. Plus I put down $13,000 cash, got
$7,500 in rebates $1,000 off for using Ford Financing (switched 2 weeks later to my credit union) and used my X-plan $3,800 off. Nope Ford didn't screw me out of anything.
$7,500 in rebates $1,000 off for using Ford Financing (switched 2 weeks later to my credit union) and used my X-plan $3,800 off. Nope Ford didn't screw me out of anything.