Originally Posted by brianford

I live in Colorado and tow boats, snowmobiles, lumber, horses, and other crap up similar grade regularly. Like once or twice a week minimum. 7k+ altitude, 3-5% grade in Southern Colorado.

This vid makes me wanna jump off a bridge. Or execute a Ford executive w/ a 50 cal. One or the other.

I dropped 60 on a raptor, their top of the line truck. And they wouldn't let me get it in an ecoboost. So that means have about 30 % less towing ability at altitude than my friend who bought a 30k f150.

Thanks ford.

PS, all your fake concern about the environment is highlighted in the raptor as well. I have no idea how many raptors you sell but I assume a lot. All of us get 3-8 mpg less than we would get if we drove an ecoboost raptor...so all the phony mpg environmental love you pretend to show in other car models is nullified because the profit margin on the 6.2 is higher than eco so you don't give us an eco raptor.

Head to the Raptor forums Ford. 18/20 of us would pay more for an Ecoboost if it was an option, it would help the environment, help solidify the reputation of the ecoboost...and you don't care. Bc the margins are lower than the 6.2 (good friend fairly high up in ford confirmed this suspicion).
Shameful stuff, Ford.

I love everything about the Raptor but the engine. To be honest as a Raptor owner, I don't know if I can ever forgive Ford completely for smacking us customers in the mouth via engine option. I thought I could when I bought the truck since everything about it is so amazing.

But it's tough to swallow having such a drastically inferior engine..particularly at altitude where it officially SUCKS compared to eco in towing, speed, mpg, everything.

But at least 80 year old Raptor owners who grew up in a previous generation/can't accept new technology can appreciate the engine noise of a V8 w/ 1980's technology... *sigh*...

Originally Posted by brianford

I live in Colorado and tow boats, snowmobiles, lumber, horses, and other crap up similar grade regularly. Like once or twice a week minimum. 7k+ altitude, 3-5% grade in Southern Colorado.

This vid makes me wanna jump off a bridge. Or execute a Ford executive w/ a 50 cal. One or the other.

I dropped 60 on a raptor, their top of the line truck. And they wouldn't let me get it in an ecoboost. So that means have about 30 % less towing ability at altitude than my friend who bought a 30k f150.

Thanks ford.

PS, all your fake concern about the environment is highlighted in the raptor as well. I have no idea how many raptors you sell but I assume a lot. All of us get 3-8 mpg less than we would get if we drove an ecoboost raptor...so all the phony mpg environmental love you pretend to show in other car models is nullified because the profit margin on the 6.2 is higher than eco so you don't give us an eco raptor.

Head to the Raptor forums Ford. 18/20 of us would pay more for an Ecoboost if it was an option, it would help the environment, help solidify the reputation of the ecoboost...and you don't care. Bc the margins are lower than the 6.2 (good friend fairly high up in ford confirmed this suspicion).
Shameful stuff, Ford.

I love everything about the Raptor but the engine. To be honest as a Raptor owner, I don't know if I can ever forgive Ford completely for smacking us customers in the mouth via engine option. I thought I could when I bought the truck since everything about it is so amazing.

But it's tough to swallow having such a drastically inferior engine..particularly at altitude where it officially SUCKS compared to eco in towing, speed, mpg, everything.

But at least 80 year old Raptor owners who grew up in a previous generation/can't accept new technology can appreciate the engine noise of a V8 w/ 1980's technology... *sigh*...

Originally Posted by my67falcon

I feel your pain. I bought a Mustang GT convertible once. At the time it was the top of the line Mustang. Every time I had the top down it got real windy. WTF Ford...

Originally Posted by SultanGris

I got my truck to tow and to look good, not to race, if your worried about half a second acceleration difference you got the wrong vehicle son, lol! The 24s on my 150 were sweet. 17s look like crap, lol! Anything smaller than 20s just look out of place in the huge wheel wells on these trucks.

Originally Posted by brianford

I live in Colorado and tow boats, snowmobiles, lumber, horses, and other crap up similar grade regularly. Like once or twice a week minimum. 7k+ altitude, 3-5% grade in Southern Colorado.

This vid makes me wanna jump off a bridge. Or execute a Ford executive w/ a 50 cal. One or the other.

I dropped 60 on a raptor, their top of the line truck. And they wouldn't let me get it in an ecoboost. So that means have about 30 % less towing ability at altitude than my friend who bought a 30k f150.

Thanks ford.

PS, all your fake concern about the environment is highlighted in the raptor as well. I have no idea how many raptors you sell but I assume a lot. All of us get 3-8 mpg less than we would get if we drove an ecoboost raptor...so all the phony mpg environmental love you pretend to show in other car models is nullified because the profit margin on the 6.2 is higher than eco so you don't give us an eco raptor.

Head to the Raptor forums Ford. 18/20 of us would pay more for an Ecoboost if it was an option, it would help the environment, help solidify the reputation of the ecoboost...and you don't care. Bc the margins are lower than the 6.2 (good friend fairly high up in ford confirmed this suspicion).
Shameful stuff, Ford.

I love everything about the Raptor but the engine. To be honest as a Raptor owner, I don't know if I can ever forgive Ford completely for smacking us customers in the mouth via engine option. I thought I could when I bought the truck since everything about it is so amazing.

But it's tough to swallow having such a drastically inferior engine..particularly at altitude where it officially SUCKS compared to eco in towing, speed, mpg, everything.

But at least 80 year old Raptor owners who grew up in a previous generation/can't accept new technology can appreciate the engine noise of a V8 w/ 1980's technology... *sigh*...

Originally Posted by brianford

I live in Colorado and tow boats, snowmobiles, lumber, horses, and other crap up similar grade regularly. Like once or twice a week minimum. 7k+ altitude, 3-5% grade in Southern Colorado.

This vid makes me wanna jump off a bridge. Or execute a Ford executive w/ a 50 cal. One or the other.


I dropped 60 on a raptor, their top of the line truck. And they wouldn't let me get it in an ecoboost. So that means have about 30 % less towing ability at altitude than my friend who bought a 30k f150.

Thanks ford.

PS, all your fake concern about the environment is highlighted in the raptor as well. I have no idea how many raptors you sell but I assume a lot. All of us get 3-8 mpg less than we would get if we drove an ecoboost raptor...so all the phony mpg environmental love you pretend to show in other car models is nullified because the profit margin on the 6.2 is higher than eco so you don't give us an eco raptor.

Head to the Raptor forums Ford. 18/20 of us would pay more for an Ecoboost if it was an option, it would help the environment, help solidify the reputation of the ecoboost...and you don't care. Bc the margins are lower than the 6.2 (good friend fairly high up in ford confirmed this suspicion).
Shameful stuff, Ford.

I love everything about the Raptor but the engine. To be honest as a Raptor owner, I don't know if I can ever forgive Ford completely for smacking us customers in the mouth via engine option. I thought I could when I bought the truck since everything about it is so amazing.

But it's tough to swallow having such a drastically inferior engine..particularly at altitude where it officially SUCKS compared to eco in towing, speed, mpg, everything.

But at least 80 year old Raptor owners who grew up in a previous generation/can't accept new technology can appreciate the engine noise of a V8 w/ 1980's technology... *sigh*...

Originally Posted by my67falcon

I feel your pain. I bought a Mustang GT convertible once. At the time it was the top of the line Mustang. Every time I had the top down it got real windy. WTF Ford. Even the base LX 2.3l coupe was less windy...

Originally Posted by engineermike

I'll bet that 2.3 even got better fuel mileage too! D@mn you Ford!

Originally Posted by packplantpath

Have you looked up the raptor towing specs? I assume no. It is NOT a tow vehicle. But not because of the engine.

Originally Posted by my67falcon

I feel your pain. I bought a Mustang GT convertible once. At the time it was the top of the line Mustang. Every time I had the top down it got real windy. WTF Ford. Even the base LX 2.3l coupe was less windy. You would think Ford would have.....oh wait, I get it now, even though they we're both Mustangs they had different attributes that separate them somewhat. So in retrospect, I could have bought a Mustang that had T-Tops and still enjoyed some open top driving with less wind noise or a hard top and had no wind noise. So that means each type was made for a specific market. I wonder if Ford ever had other vehicles that were designed to more serve a specific function at the cost of an attribute that other like vehicles had....say off road ability vs. towing. Hmmm, probably not.

Originally Posted by Bennyboy

Seems to me you just aren't a savvy consumer. You honestly went shopping for a truck to tow with and bought a Raptor cause it was the most expensive? I wonder how many people bought Lightnings in '99 cause they were "top-of-the-line" and wondered why they squatted so much and weren't rated to tow much. Or how many SRT10 Ram owners got home and realize they weren't rated to tow at all?

Raptor is specialty vehicle meant to go offroad. Kudos to Ford for duping you into dropping 60k into one for a tow vehicle. A smart shopper would've spent that on a Powerstroke and skipped the Raptor and EB.

Originally Posted by brianford

It is a truck. It is to be used for many things. It is capable of towing 8k pounds per Ford.

Most vehicles on the road that tow are not "tow vehicles," if you define tow vehicle as a vehicle whose primary function is towing.

the lack of engine choices has to do with more issues than mere towing, anyway. It's a slap in the face to consumers to not give them options when buying their most expensive truck, particularly when they build clearly superior engine for all applications (towing, mpg, performance).

See above. You're wrong. Horrible analogy, not analogous in the least.

Your Ford apologetics is the intellectual equivalent of saying "the 5.0 might have a bad torque curve but it's an f150 engine. The f150 is a daily driver not a tow truck. Should have bought a super duty!"

See how stupid that is?

These trucks serve multiple purposes.

You're confused.

See above.

Trucks should serve many purposes.

"Bought a 5.0 for towing? Should have bought a powerstroke."

"Bought an f150 for off road? Should have bought a raptor."

"concerned with mpg? Should have bought a prius."

These are dumb, dismissive cliches that show a lack of understanding of how trucks are used in the modern world.