F150vsTundra
07-27-2012, 12:10 AM
#31
Meaner than ymeski56
My uncle bought a Tundra the same time we bought my mom's Silverado. 10k more than the similarly equipped Chevy and is a pig on gas (did get a good price on the Chevy though). Sure they may be fast but that's not what a pickup is built for. Don't like either one though, my F150 is much better for what I use it for (95% dirt/offroad driving).
07-27-2012, 12:19 AM
#32
Senior Member
Hyundais and Kias have 100k mile warranties, I wonder why...
Ford doesn't offer a shorter warranty period because of the vehicle not needing it. They offer a shorter warranty period because they don't want to extend the liability out that far for themselves. Simple as that.
That being said I agree with the 5 year thing. A 5 year 100,000 mile warranty doesn't impress me much since the average person will not reach 100,000 miles in less than 5 years...unless its a business truck. Now a 10 year, 10,000 mile warranty is very nice. And if I recall correctly some of the "lesser quality" manufacturers such as Kia are offering 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranties.
Last edited by Buck; 07-27-2012 at 12:22 AM.
07-27-2012, 12:54 AM
#33
Every Toyota Car, Truck and SUV is built to exceptional standards. And that’s not idle boasting. We back it up with these Limited Warranty Coverages:
Basic: 36 months/36,000 miles (all components other than normal wear and maintenance items).
Powertrain: 60 months/60,000 miles (engine, transmission/transaxle, drive system, seatbelts and airbags).
Rust-Through: 60 months/unlimited miles (corrosion perforation of sheet metal).
Emissions: Coverages vary under Federal and California regulations. Refer to applicable Warranty and Maintenance Guide for details.
Last edited by flixden; 07-27-2012 at 12:59 AM.
07-27-2012, 01:24 AM
#34
Well I am trading my F150 for a Tundra.
Here is the comparison
Tundra has less problems then F150, especially the ecoboost, may 2013 will be better
better resale value for Tundra
Ford sucks, my ball joints and upper control arms needed replacement after 20 thousand miles, Ford declines saying some bull****, had to get two third party mechanic involved to get independent review for the reason the parts failed; Everything stock, Ford finally fixed it under warranty
I like the power curve better on the Tundra
Love the exterior look of the Tundra, f150 has pretty much look the same since 2004, round vs box shaped.
Interior on the Tundra is pretty sad, my friend tows 12-13k sometimes with Tundra and not a single problem, only thing he had replaced is a belt. truck has over 100k miles.
Tundra is cheaper to buy then F150,
C channel frame is good, yes it flexes but it is designed to do so, why are heaver trucks only have c channel frame, at least you wont get bent frame like you do with Raptors.
I just wish Tundra had a better interior and thicker sheet metal. Other then that, the powertrain is superior to what Ford has going for it. Get the TRD supercharger from dealer, everything is covered under warranty, god forbid you do that with 5.0 Ford motor, kiss the warranty good bye.
Here is the comparison
Tundra has less problems then F150, especially the ecoboost, may 2013 will be better
better resale value for Tundra
Ford sucks, my ball joints and upper control arms needed replacement after 20 thousand miles, Ford declines saying some bull****, had to get two third party mechanic involved to get independent review for the reason the parts failed; Everything stock, Ford finally fixed it under warranty
I like the power curve better on the Tundra
Love the exterior look of the Tundra, f150 has pretty much look the same since 2004, round vs box shaped.
Interior on the Tundra is pretty sad, my friend tows 12-13k sometimes with Tundra and not a single problem, only thing he had replaced is a belt. truck has over 100k miles.
Tundra is cheaper to buy then F150,
C channel frame is good, yes it flexes but it is designed to do so, why are heaver trucks only have c channel frame, at least you wont get bent frame like you do with Raptors.
I just wish Tundra had a better interior and thicker sheet metal. Other then that, the powertrain is superior to what Ford has going for it. Get the TRD supercharger from dealer, everything is covered under warranty, god forbid you do that with 5.0 Ford motor, kiss the warranty good bye.
Last edited by Jvivek; 07-27-2012 at 01:27 AM.
07-27-2012, 01:31 AM
#35
I think you're bass ackwards on this thought. Since when has a manufacturer offering a longer warranty ever been a sign of poor quality? A manufacturer offering a longer warranty shows they have confidence in their product and are willing to spend the time and money to back it. It would be a poor decision (business wise) to offer a longer warranty if you thought it was going to "need" it. That just means the manufacturer loses more money.
Ford doesn't offer a shorter warranty period because of the vehicle not needing it. They offer a shorter warranty period because they don't want to extend the liability out that far for themselves. Simple as that.
That being said I agree with the 5 year thing. A 5 year 100,000 mile warranty doesn't impress me much since the average person will not reach 100,000 miles in less than 5 years...unless its a business truck. Now a 10 year, 10,000 mile warranty is very nice. And if I recall correctly some of the "lesser quality" manufacturers such as Kia are offering 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranties.
Ford doesn't offer a shorter warranty period because of the vehicle not needing it. They offer a shorter warranty period because they don't want to extend the liability out that far for themselves. Simple as that.
That being said I agree with the 5 year thing. A 5 year 100,000 mile warranty doesn't impress me much since the average person will not reach 100,000 miles in less than 5 years...unless its a business truck. Now a 10 year, 10,000 mile warranty is very nice. And if I recall correctly some of the "lesser quality" manufacturers such as Kia are offering 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranties.
+1
I just got rid of my 2008 Kia Rio5 to make room for the F150.
I had that car since new and sold it with 185000 kms (115000 miles) on it.
I used it for work in the city... it was started & shut off about 8-9 times a day. I drove that thing like a rental the entire time I had it. Totally bomb proof. Never left me stranded.
Other than having to replace the control arms at 100,000 kms and the front wheel bearings at 145000 kms, nothing beyond regular maintenance.
I think I got 105000 kms out of the OEM front brakes before I had them replaced. When I sold it, it still had the original rear pads.
I just moved to Alberta, Canada and if owning a pick up truck wasn't part cultural assimilation in this part of the country, I'd still have my Kia and would be planning on replacing it with another.
These days, I'd buy Korean over any Japanese brands if all I cared about was reliability. Resale on the other hand... the perception of Korean cars still isn't doing it any favors.
07-27-2012, 02:08 AM
#36
Well I am trading my F150 for a Tundra.
Here is the comparison
Tundra has less problems then F150, especially the ecoboost, The Tundra's new powertrain had some major issues themselves when they first arrived, far more serious than the EB! Cruise by some Tundra forums and do a little reading
may 2013 will be better better resale value for Tundra
Ford sucks, my ball joints and upper control arms needed replacement after 20 thousand miles, Ford declines saying some bull****, had to get two third party mechanic involved to get independent review for the reason the parts failed; Everything stock, Ford finally fixed it under warranty
I like the power curve better on the Tundra
Love the exterior look of the Tundra, f150 has pretty much look the same since 2004, round vs box shaped.
Interior on the Tundra is pretty sad, my friend tows 12-13k sometimes with Tundra and not a single problem, only thing he had replaced is a belt. truck has over 100k miles.
My friend tows up to 15k sometimes with his Ranger and no problems either
Tundra is cheaper to buy then F150,
Wrong, F150's starting MSRP is cheaper by $1,655. Compare using the manufactures website.
www.ford.com
www.toyota.com
C channel frame is good, yes it flexes but it is designed to do so, why are heaver trucks only have c channel frame, at least you wont get bent frame like you do with Raptors.
Interseting logic! The frame issue has been nothing but operator error, I'd like to see what happens to the Tundra's frame in those situations.....
I just wish Tundra had a better interior and thicker sheet metal. Other then that, the powertrain is superior to what Ford has going for it. Get the TRD supercharger from dealer, everything is covered under warranty, god forbid you do that with 5.0 Ford motor, kiss the warranty good bye.
Here is the comparison
Tundra has less problems then F150, especially the ecoboost, The Tundra's new powertrain had some major issues themselves when they first arrived, far more serious than the EB! Cruise by some Tundra forums and do a little reading
may 2013 will be better better resale value for Tundra Ford sucks, my ball joints and upper control arms needed replacement after 20 thousand miles, Ford declines saying some bull****, had to get two third party mechanic involved to get independent review for the reason the parts failed; Everything stock, Ford finally fixed it under warranty
I like the power curve better on the Tundra
Love the exterior look of the Tundra, f150 has pretty much look the same since 2004, round vs box shaped.
Interior on the Tundra is pretty sad, my friend tows 12-13k sometimes with Tundra and not a single problem, only thing he had replaced is a belt. truck has over 100k miles.
My friend tows up to 15k sometimes with his Ranger and no problems either
Tundra is cheaper to buy then F150,
Wrong, F150's starting MSRP is cheaper by $1,655. Compare using the manufactures website.
www.ford.com
www.toyota.com
C channel frame is good, yes it flexes but it is designed to do so, why are heaver trucks only have c channel frame, at least you wont get bent frame like you do with Raptors.
Interseting logic! The frame issue has been nothing but operator error, I'd like to see what happens to the Tundra's frame in those situations.....
I just wish Tundra had a better interior and thicker sheet metal. Other then that, the powertrain is superior to what Ford has going for it. Get the TRD supercharger from dealer, everything is covered under warranty, god forbid you do that with 5.0 Ford motor, kiss the warranty good bye.
07-27-2012, 03:18 AM
#37
The Tundra's new powertrain had some major issues themselves when they first arrived, far more serious than the EB! Cruise by some Tundra forums and do a little reading
I have done extensive research, have been in both forums for years, issues exist but not at the level of ecoboost, to be fair, I am not suprised there are issues with newer trucks but what really disappoints me, Fords handling of such complaints, Blaming customers seems to be the new policy at Ford or completly denying there is even a issue.
Wrong, F150's starting MSRP is cheaper by $1,655. Compare using the manufactures website.
Actually I am going from what the prices are when I negotiate with the dealer, not website, I choose not to pay what the website price is.
My friend tows up to 15k sometimes with his Ranger and no problems either
hopefully within the parking lot
Interseting logic! The frame issue has been nothing but operator error, I'd like to see what happens to the Tundra's frame in those situations.....
Well both frames have their good and bad. Just don't believe everything a company tells you is better, if box frame were all that amazing, you would see Ford use them in their heavier trucks. Fact is boxed frame is less superior to properly designed c frame. I rather have flex which is what c channel is designed for rather then bent box frame, no way to fix that back to original condition. Dont always believe all the videos that Ford made, ever heard of marketing.
Good luck with your turd!
Well thanks for the well wishes!
I have done extensive research, have been in both forums for years, issues exist but not at the level of ecoboost, to be fair, I am not suprised there are issues with newer trucks but what really disappoints me, Fords handling of such complaints, Blaming customers seems to be the new policy at Ford or completly denying there is even a issue.
Wrong, F150's starting MSRP is cheaper by $1,655. Compare using the manufactures website.
Actually I am going from what the prices are when I negotiate with the dealer, not website, I choose not to pay what the website price is.
My friend tows up to 15k sometimes with his Ranger and no problems either
hopefully within the parking lot
Interseting logic! The frame issue has been nothing but operator error, I'd like to see what happens to the Tundra's frame in those situations.....
Well both frames have their good and bad. Just don't believe everything a company tells you is better, if box frame were all that amazing, you would see Ford use them in their heavier trucks. Fact is boxed frame is less superior to properly designed c frame. I rather have flex which is what c channel is designed for rather then bent box frame, no way to fix that back to original condition. Dont always believe all the videos that Ford made, ever heard of marketing.
Good luck with your turd!
Well thanks for the well wishes!
07-27-2012, 06:35 AM
#38
better looking than geno
Originally Posted by Jvivek
The Tundra's new powertrain had some major issues themselves when they first arrived, far more serious than the EB! Cruise by some Tundra forums and do a little reading
I have done extensive research, have been in both forums for years, issues exist but not at the level of ecoboost, to be fair, I am not suprised there are issues with newer trucks but what really disappoints me, Fords handling of such complaints, Blaming customers seems to be the new policy at Ford or completly denying there is even a issue.
Wrong, F150's starting MSRP is cheaper by $1,655. Compare using the manufactures website.
Actually I am going from what the prices are when I negotiate with the dealer, not website, I choose not to pay what the website price is.
My friend tows up to 15k sometimes with his Ranger and no problems either
hopefully within the parking lot
Interseting logic! The frame issue has been nothing but operator error, I'd like to see what happens to the Tundra's frame in those situations.....
Well both frames have their good and bad. Just don't believe everything a company tells you is better, if box frame were all that amazing, you would see Ford use them in their heavier trucks. Fact is boxed frame is less superior to properly designed c frame. I rather have flex which is what c channel is designed for rather then bent box frame, no way to fix that back to original condition. Dont always believe all the videos that Ford made, ever heard of marketing.
Good luck with your turd!
Well thanks for the well wishes!
I have done extensive research, have been in both forums for years, issues exist but not at the level of ecoboost, to be fair, I am not suprised there are issues with newer trucks but what really disappoints me, Fords handling of such complaints, Blaming customers seems to be the new policy at Ford or completly denying there is even a issue.
Wrong, F150's starting MSRP is cheaper by $1,655. Compare using the manufactures website.
Actually I am going from what the prices are when I negotiate with the dealer, not website, I choose not to pay what the website price is.
My friend tows up to 15k sometimes with his Ranger and no problems either
hopefully within the parking lot
Interseting logic! The frame issue has been nothing but operator error, I'd like to see what happens to the Tundra's frame in those situations.....
Well both frames have their good and bad. Just don't believe everything a company tells you is better, if box frame were all that amazing, you would see Ford use them in their heavier trucks. Fact is boxed frame is less superior to properly designed c frame. I rather have flex which is what c channel is designed for rather then bent box frame, no way to fix that back to original condition. Dont always believe all the videos that Ford made, ever heard of marketing.
Good luck with your turd!
Well thanks for the well wishes!
You keep using raptors as a crutch, do you drive like the raptors in question? Jumping all 4 tires at 80+? Yaaaaanooo.
07-27-2012, 07:09 AM
#39
Senior Member
Originally Posted by Jvivek
Interior on the Tundra is pretty sad...
07-27-2012, 09:03 AM
#40
My stance is as such.
1. I get a pretty good discount on Ford products.
2. I have had reasonable luck with Ford products.
3. For my specific truck, it shares the engine with the Mustang and thus will have a lot of aftermarket support for the engine.
4. I think the Yotas look like a big bubble and don't like the exterior.
5. The Yota webpage has never worked correctly for me, showing poor marketing and a lack of caring as far as I am concerned.
6. Justified or not, I have issues buying a truck from a company whose top truck is a 1/2 ton. It seems to me that having 3/4 and 1 tons will have some sharing with the 1/2 tons, thus making them more robust in the areas I care about.
All vehicles have issues, it's just a matter of how they are dealt with. Trucks have a higher percentage of issues from what I can tell because people tinker with them more and lye about it. I suspect the big 3 have more issues these days than Toyota because of the "by 'Merican" mentality of a portion of the people who are tinkers and the fact that the big 3 have been involved in the after market forever.
1. I get a pretty good discount on Ford products.
2. I have had reasonable luck with Ford products.
3. For my specific truck, it shares the engine with the Mustang and thus will have a lot of aftermarket support for the engine.
4. I think the Yotas look like a big bubble and don't like the exterior.
5. The Yota webpage has never worked correctly for me, showing poor marketing and a lack of caring as far as I am concerned.
6. Justified or not, I have issues buying a truck from a company whose top truck is a 1/2 ton. It seems to me that having 3/4 and 1 tons will have some sharing with the 1/2 tons, thus making them more robust in the areas I care about.
All vehicles have issues, it's just a matter of how they are dealt with. Trucks have a higher percentage of issues from what I can tell because people tinker with them more and lye about it. I suspect the big 3 have more issues these days than Toyota because of the "by 'Merican" mentality of a portion of the people who are tinkers and the fact that the big 3 have been involved in the after market forever.