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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 09:54 PM
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My 6.7 was more complicated than your 6.4 and achieved 18mpg highway and 16mph city without breaking a sweat. And that was entirely stock. DEF fluid combined with a DPF system is actually a very good system compared to DPF only. And if you design an engine to withstand 1400* egt's then it will be fine. I've read and heard of problems with the regens but they are actually very easy to manage and keep maintained. And people running into bad fuel and blowing fuel systems must be filling up in some really shady spots. I've filled up in towns all over this state and parts of Lousyana and never ran in to a problem.
I think the 6.7 is a fine engine and really happy that Ford built it in house. Seems to be a much better package than the 6.4. Mileage is subjective. Most folks get around 14/15 average in my neck of the woods (East Tennessee = hills) with the 6.7. When you factor in the engine premium, fuel premium and maintenance, it equals quite a bit of gas that you can put in a tank of that Ecoboost.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 09:57 PM
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No argument there. My Eco saves me right at a $150/month in fuel and maintenance. If I hadn't gotten laid off I'd still own my 6.7. Now I just sit and bide my time....
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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Sorry to hear that. Hopefully, you find something suitable soon


Originally Posted by Centexguy
No argument there. My Eco saves me right at a $150/month in fuel and maintenance. If I hadn't gotten laid off I'd still own my 6.7. Now I just sit and bide my time....
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 10:41 PM
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There are many prior diesel owners here on the forum who have switched to the EB and say that power and rpm-wise, the EB tows much like their prior diesels.
That's good enough for me....the new emissions requirements for diesels seem to be WAY over complicated and expensive. Although, I admit that the EB is a complicated engine as well.
Just check the price of, for example a fuel pump or fuel filter for the EB and for any new diesel......then there is the price of fuel and you have to add in the price of the urea on top of that.....
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 11:30 PM
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My buddy has a 2011 6.7... Couldn't imagine it as a daily driver. Also, his oil changes and urea fills are stupid money. Once I get a tune, ill be ecstatic with my truck.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 11:40 PM
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There are many prior diesel owners here on the forum who have switched to the EB and say that power and rpm-wise, the EB tows much like their prior diesels.
That's good enough for me....the new emissions requirements for diesels seem to be WAY over complicated and expensive. Although, I admit that the EB is a complicated engine as well.
Just check the price of, for example a fuel pump or fuel filter for the EB and for any new diesel......then there is the price of fuel and you have to add in the price of the urea on top of that.....
It's just not really worth it for the guy who tows once a month. I loved the power of the diesel but all the issues my truck had it wasn't worth it to me anymore. You may have half the torque but you are also 2/3 the weight so it almost works out for daily driving. And going back to gas life just seems simpler.
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 01:08 AM
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I'm a diesel technician. All day I sit there and clean parts that are so over baked with EGR debris from all the carbon buildup. I'm a huge believer in fuel economy and emmisions. I as a moral mechanic have a hard time taking all these emmisions devices off of vehicles to put them on the road as daily drivers, but in my weather conditions here they don't work. Urea freezes at -5 celcius and we are always below that 50% of the year if not more, so we have lots of damage there. Our diesel here sucks and even after adding fass pump systems we still see lots of injector and pump failure from contamination. The 6.4 PS is the biggest culpret of DPF problems and washing down cylinders. The 6.0 PS would have been great if it had more head studs, but hey, oh well. The duramax is the diesel i'd have bought, but i love ford trucks for comfort and accesories.

It's just so tough to go out and spend the money I don't have right now because I work on these things all the time! people ask me what i'd recommend for a new vehicle and I say a vehicle from the early 90's or a early 2002 or 3 diesel truck. now adays everythings just haggard and cheaply made.
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 02:04 AM
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I pay $80 for a synthetic oil change for my Duramax, and I just paid $97 for the first [synthetic] oil change for my Ecoboost.
Diesel prices at a local gas station:
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3.89 ARCO 1700 W. La Palma Ave & N Euclid St
Regular unleaded same station:
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3.95 ARCO 1700 W. La Palma Ave & N Euclid St
20 years ago diesel was more expensive to operate. Those days are gone.
A diesel oil change is no more expensive, diesel fuel prices bump around, but I've never seen it more than Super around here, and right now it's cheaper than even Regular unl.
Diesel engines typically last at least 2-3 times longer than gasoline engines, they have much greater load and towing capability, and they return better gas mileage.
Diesel-equipped trucks cost $7k+ more than their gas-engine counterparts, thus don't start returning on the 'investment' until after 5-years from a strictly fuel mileage standpoint. If you tow 'heavy', they pay dividends right off the bat.
People who buy predominantly gasoline-powered half-ton pick-ups with 5.5' beds aren't going to have a whole lot of experience with diesel trucks, as they don't have a need for even the typical-sized truck bed.
Trying to ascertain the 'value' of buying a diesel truck on a half-ton forum isn't therefore going to net accurate info, as you're not going to get a whole lot of *REAL* firsthand experience. Especially when you're looking for a comparison with the forum's main event.
Dieselplace.com, powerstroke.org, and cumminsforum.com are much better resources for true diesel-truck info.
There's a Ford truck forum that has both half-ton and diesel forums, but is a direct competitor of this site.
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by yokev
I pay $80 for a synthetic oil change for my Duramax, and I just paid $97 for the first [synthetic] oil change for my Ecoboost.
Diesel prices at a local gas station:
Price Station Area Thanks
3.89 ARCO 1700 W. La Palma Ave & N Euclid St
Regular unleaded same station:
Price Station Area
3.95 ARCO 1700 W. La Palma Ave & N Euclid St
20 years ago diesel was more expensive to operate. Those days are gone.
A diesel oil change is no more expensive, diesel fuel prices bump around, but I've never seen it more than Super around here, and right now it's cheaper than even Regular unl.
Diesel engines typically last at least 2-3 times longer than gasoline engines, they have much greater load and towing capability, and they return better gas mileage.
Diesel-equipped trucks cost $7k+ more than their gas-engine counterparts, thus don't start returning on the 'investment' until after 5-years from a strictly fuel mileage standpoint. If you tow 'heavy', they pay dividends right off the bat.
People who buy predominantly gasoline-powered half-ton pick-ups with 5.5' beds aren't going to have a whole lot of experience with diesel trucks, as they don't have a need for even the typical-sized truck bed.
Trying to ascertain the 'value' of buying a diesel truck on a half-ton forum isn't therefore going to net accurate info, as you're not going to get a whole lot of *REAL* firsthand experience. Especially when you're looking for a comparison with the forum's main event.
Dieselplace.com, powerstroke.org, and cumminsforum.com are much better resources for true diesel-truck info.
There's a Ford truck forum that has both half-ton and diesel forums, but is a direct competitor of this site.
Wow!! Diesel cheaper than regular unleaded? I remember the good old days when diesel used to be cheaper than regular unleaded. Perhaps that is why I miss my old 7.3. Government data suggests something a little different though:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.htm

Looks like around a $.35 to $.45 advantage for regular unleaded in the US.

My brother and I used to believe that having a diesel would eventually pay back but then the out of warranty repair bills start coming in. When his early duramax (2002) hit 140,000 miles, we thought, wow, this is going to go for a long time. Then, a set of new injectors later and all that fuel savings, gone. And the price, HOLY S%$#! We were wishing for the old CAT HEUI system that was in my 7.3 which was a fraction of the price.

I am a 10+ diesel guy coming over from the forums you mentioned and probably not the only one that is fed up with the extra cost and worry of having a modern diesel. The OP is a diesel mechanic and making the switch!
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by KILOFINAL
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully, you find something suitable soon
Appreciate it. I got another job already (was laid off on Labor Day ironically). Took a healthy pay cut but at least I'm working. And it's a better job with benefits and no traveling. Lost my 6.7 but got a better gig so I guess it wasn't to bad of a trade. Now if someone would just offer me $35,000 for my Eco I'd be a happy man haha
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