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Old 12-21-2013, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Kohalic
I don't think people are getting their panties in a wad here. Everyone is just stating why they bought their truck which is a good thing, and one person's reasons is not another's. I don't see people getting pissy about it in this thread at all or at least they shouldn't since it is just a thread in a forum. You can easily just get up an go on with your life if reading or posting in here does not give you any kind of enjoyment or entertainment. If you don't take it so seriously or realize that not everyone is the same then it would be hard pressed for you to get your panties in a wad. Some like sound and some like more power. Some care more about what an engine is then what it can do like how some have to have a V8 while others really don't care if it's a V6 just as long as it delivers the power they expect. However, going and buying one engine based off of your preferences does not necessarily make it a better choice for someone else's preference. Buying a 5.0L for sound, less cost, or whatever other reason is fine because those are your reasons. Just don't be like a friend of mine and try to tell me the 5.0L is more powerful because that sounds about as stupid to an EB owner as how a 5.0L would think of an EB owner saying his sounds better. Like is said, we all chose our engines for a reason. The 5.0L guys chose the sound, less cost, and V8 aspects of it with the understanding that is is not as powerful as the Ecoboost. The Ecoboost guys chose the low end torque, pulling power, and turbo sound knowing that it will never sound like a V8. The fact that the 5.0L is not as powerful as the EB or the fact the the Ecoboost will not sound like a V8 is okay since the people that chose each motor had different priorities. I can guarantee you that when I bought my truck that I was not thinking of anybody else's priorities but my own.
Very well said Al!
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:29 AM
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Nice job Al

I agree 100%.....
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Originally Posted by Al Kohalic
I can guarantee you that when I bought my truck that I was not thinking of anybody else's priorities but my own.


I admit, I did think of my neighbor who told me that my old v8 woke him up every morning.... it was factored into the set of reason for the choice I made.
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I admit, I did think of my neighbor who told me that my old v8 woke him up every morning.... it was factored into the set of reason for the choice I made.
I'm pretty sure my neighbors hate me now that I put on a Mak ypipe, but now where near as much as the people in my old apartment complex when I had a '99 Cummins. To be honest, I'd be happy with any of the three engines in Ford's lineup right now. It's really hard to beat the ergonomics, interior features, comfort etc of Ford trucks, and that goes for the newer models the other manufactures have put out. I drove a loaded 2014 Chevy a month ago or so when I was bored and had an hour to kill during the middle of the day. The whole time I was behind the wheel I was thinking its nice, but nowhere near nice enough to make anyone change. I can't wait to see the interiors if the 2015's bc I don't see how they can get much better.
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Originally Posted by Al Kohalic

It does have when compared to some other N/A V8's that you have driven, but not when compared to the Ecoboost.

If you want to say the 5.0 sounds better or was cheaper then I will give you that even though sound is a preference. However, to say the stock 5.0L has enough low end torque to a person that owns an EB will get you laughed at. Even more so to a person that has a tuned EB because you might as well add another 100+lb-ft to that dyno chart above.
I wonder what the nicely tuned 5.0 chart looks like? My 5.0 doesn't have the low end torque my Eco had but it is quite capable to tow whatever a half ton can safely tow. I tow a lot... The main thing for me is reliability. The mileage is a little better for daily driving for me in the 5.0, but not enough to really notice. Interstate driving at 72-75 mph it is around 1.5 mpg better for me in my 5.0. Towing the 5.0 has been between 2-3.5 mpg better depending on which trailer I tow.

To me these aren't huge differences. I don't care to race my truck, I use it like a truck. If my Eco had been as reliable as this 5.0 has been, I'd still have it and be a happy customer. I just got tired of the bi-weekly trips to the shop.
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Alright, panties in a wad was a little harsh. Seems the EB vs 5.0 never gets resolved and hashed to death. Healthy debate is good. To the op you will enjoy either. I did.
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Originally Posted by fieldoc
Alright, panties in a wad was a little harsh. Seems the EB vs 5.0 never gets resolved and hashed to death. Healthy debate is good. To the op you will enjoy either. I did.
Yea I'm in no position to purchase a new truck now. But when the time comes i will give them both a chance before my decision.
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I wonder what the nicely tuned 5.0 chart looks like? My 5.0 doesn't have the low end torque my Eco had but it is quite capable to tow whatever a half ton can safely tow. I tow a lot... The main thing for me is reliability. The mileage is a little better for daily driving for me in the 5.0, but not enough to really notice. Interstate driving at 72-75 mph it is around 1.5 mpg better for me in my 5.0. Towing the 5.0 has been between 2-3.5 mpg better depending on which trailer I tow.

To me these aren't huge differences. I don't care to race my truck, I use it like a truck. If my Eco had been as reliable as this 5.0 has been, I'd still have it and be a happy customer. I just got tired of the bi-weekly trips to the shop.
This is the one thing I am mildly curious about - mildly because my truck is as reliable as any other vehicle I've owned. Both engines were born at the same time, both are highly complex with new technology and both have had significant issues ie. Kaboom. My curiosity is around the proportion of issues to units sold. I would also throw in a 6.2 just to see is any of the 3 engines are any more reliable than the other. I have seen this over and ovuh on this and other forums, but there is no data to concretely say one way or the other whether any of the engines are more or less reliable than the others....

Regarding a tune, I am also curious what a good tune for the 5.0 would chart as. Although NA engines don't normally react significantly to a tune, I wonder what can be accomplished.

I am amazed this is on page 8 and has been the most reasonable thread I've seen on the topic.

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Originally Posted by jayandsam09
I wonder what the nicely tuned 5.0 chart looks like? My 5.0 doesn't have the low end torque my Eco had but it is quite capable to tow whatever a half ton can safely tow. I tow a lot... The main thing for me is reliability. The mileage is a little better for daily driving for me in the 5.0, but not enough to really notice. Interstate driving at 72-75 mph it is around 1.5 mpg better for me in my 5.0. Towing the 5.0 has been between 2-3.5 mpg better depending on which trailer I tow.

To me these aren't huge differences. I don't care to race my truck, I use it like a truck. If my Eco had been as reliable as this 5.0 has been, I'd still have it and be a happy customer. I just got tired of the bi-weekly trips to the shop.
On my 5.4 the best tunes would net like 30-35 crank hp and a smidge more torque. Guessing same for 5.0. Since the 5.0 is more known for the mustang performance, a glance at mustang forums info on tune gains would likely answer the question of what to expect.... I know Bamako tunes are the sizing for stangs
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Originally Posted by zx12-iowa

On my 5.4 the best tunes would net like 30-35 crank hp and a smidge more torque. Guessing same for 5.0. Since the 5.0 is more known for the mustang performance, a glance at mustang forums info on tune gains would likely answer the question of what to expect.... I know Bamako tunes are the sizing for stangs
That is about the same tune only gains on a 5.0L F150. Most of the tuners are posting hp and torque gains in the 30s. It is not even close to the 60+ hp and 100+ torque gains in the EB. This is mainly due to beinh able to increase the psi on the turbos along with the stock mapping on the EB being very conservative in stock form. You can't really compare the 5.0L Mustang engine to the F150 5.0L since they are not the same and the F150 engine is made to handle the punishment towing and using a truck as a truck puts on an engine. If you slapped the 5.0L engine out of a Mustang and put it in an F150 without changing a thing then it probably wouldn't last that long if it had to tow all the time. Basically the more weight an engine has to pull, the more it has to be tuned down to safely and reliably tow that weight.


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