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12-19-2011, 11:38 PM
#91
Senior Member
Now, now; the population of Gilroy was 48,821 at the 2010 census!
Gilroy is well-known for its garlic crop and for the annual Gilroy Garlic Festival.
However, they do have a nice 75' rear mount ladder:
12-19-2011, 11:44 PM
#92
ETTYOCEO ®
Originally Posted by jcain
Well if much better safety equipment and training doesn't account for the huge death difference between union and non union in the exact same trade, explain to me what does... Let me guess, since I make a buck more an hour than my non union counterpart, he wants to die that much more than me? Give me a break. Safety is the obvious difference, if you can't see or comprehend that than you've got more issues than this debate.
I'm not measuring cacks here. It was how I perceived the RR union looking in from the outside.
12-20-2011, 11:17 AM
#94
Senior almost
I was actually refring to the popuation of the world trade center on 9/11 was 15k to 16k people. The city of Gilroy population currently is about 50 to 60k legals and about the same number of illegals.....
12-20-2011, 11:49 AM
#95
Senior almost
As to number of firemen at a fire here well a minmum of two engines, they send all personell from any station, which is a minimum of 6 to 12 personell. So a minmum staffing per apparatus is really nothing mre than the union making un-reasonable demands. So after it became apparent the union was going to loose 12 paid positions the of course wanted to retract the demand but it was too late to take it back, thanks to arbitration. So now one station closed, leaving 3 trucks and gear and the entire station vacant. Thats the union hardly at work. But for me I would rather a truck have two than the alternative, no truck at all......... but thats non-union thinking....
12-20-2011, 12:22 PM
#96
Senior Member
As to number of firemen at a fire here well a minmum of two engines, they send all personell from any station, which is a minimum of 6 to 12 personell. So a minmum staffing per apparatus is really nothing mre than the union making un-reasonable demands. So after it became apparent the union was going to loose 12 paid positions the of course wanted to retract the demand but it was too late to take it back, thanks to arbitration. So now one station closed, leaving 3 trucks and gear and the entire station vacant. Thats the union hardly at work. But for me I would rather a truck have two than the alternative, no truck at all......... but thats non-union thinking....
I would love to entertain the idea of continuing this discussion with you, im all about learning what others are thinking and taking their viewpoint into consideration. However, your posts are continually filled with poor grammar, misspelling and lack of correct punctuation. In short, they are difficult if not impossible to read. Now, im no English professor myself, but in order for me to try and address what the issue is I need a better picture of whats going on over there in Gilroy.
I provided you with facts and links to the information to support my point, I am awaiting yours.
One more thing. Please do not pretend like you know what our job entails regarding establishing a water supply, staffing and response, it just makes you look all that more ignorant.
12-20-2011, 12:28 PM
#97
Originally Posted by 2010FX4F150GILROY
As to number of firemen at a fire here well a minmum of two engines, they send all personell from any station, which is a minimum of 6 to 12 personell. So a minmum staffing per apparatus is really nothing mre than the union making un-reasonable demands. So after it became apparent the union was going to loose 12 paid positions the of course wanted to retract the demand but it was too late to take it back, thanks to arbitration. So now one station closed, leaving 3 trucks and gear and the entire station vacant. Thats the union hardly at work. But for me I would rather a truck have two than the alternative, no truck at all......... but thats non-union thinking....
12-20-2011, 01:32 PM
#98
Cdvaight,
Judging by you commits you must have been some sort of manager or a office person there in Omaha. Seeing as all of the trades MUST be part of a union per the UP as a condition of employment.
Seeing the you posts you must have had a some bad experaces with union employees,Your commits of the signal mantainer not going out may be somewhat true due to the fact of the hours of service stating that you may not work over 12 hours without 10 hours of rest, and by the way that is a FRA thing. However they would have someone else come out of repair it or they would provide some other sort of protection to the public, have you ever read the GCOR?
I would ask you to come and work a week with a crew to see just why we need the union.
Judging by you commits you must have been some sort of manager or a office person there in Omaha. Seeing as all of the trades MUST be part of a union per the UP as a condition of employment.
Seeing the you posts you must have had a some bad experaces with union employees,Your commits of the signal mantainer not going out may be somewhat true due to the fact of the hours of service stating that you may not work over 12 hours without 10 hours of rest, and by the way that is a FRA thing. However they would have someone else come out of repair it or they would provide some other sort of protection to the public, have you ever read the GCOR?
I would ask you to come and work a week with a crew to see just why we need the union.
12-20-2011, 03:02 PM
#99
This.
Also, if my house were on fire and a fire truck pulled up with only 2 firefighters jumping out, my first thought would be "we're screwed " even though I have a hydrant 30 feet from the house. Granted, those 2 people would do their best but 2 people on a truck, come on.
I have seen enough of corporate america in my life to know that, if they ever get a chance to take advantage of their workers, they WILL.
Also, if my house were on fire and a fire truck pulled up with only 2 firefighters jumping out, my first thought would be "we're screwed " even though I have a hydrant 30 feet from the house. Granted, those 2 people would do their best but 2 people on a truck, come on.
I have seen enough of corporate america in my life to know that, if they ever get a chance to take advantage of their workers, they WILL.
Last edited by dw66; 12-20-2011 at 03:28 PM.
12-20-2011, 04:06 PM
#100
Senior Member
Really? (sigh) I thought you dropped out of this from your last post, but I guess not.
I would love to entertain the idea of continuing this discussion with you, im all about learning what others are thinking and taking their viewpoint into consideration. However, your posts are continually filled with poor grammar, misspelling and lack of correct punctuation. In short, they are difficult if not impossible to read. Now, im no English professor myself, but in order for me to try and address what the issue is I need a better picture of whats going on over there in Gilroy.
I provided you with facts and links to the information to support my point, I am awaiting yours.
One more thing. Please do not pretend like you know what our job entails regarding establishing a water supply, staffing and response, it just makes you look all that more ignorant.
I would love to entertain the idea of continuing this discussion with you, im all about learning what others are thinking and taking their viewpoint into consideration. However, your posts are continually filled with poor grammar, misspelling and lack of correct punctuation. In short, they are difficult if not impossible to read. Now, im no English professor myself, but in order for me to try and address what the issue is I need a better picture of whats going on over there in Gilroy.
I provided you with facts and links to the information to support my point, I am awaiting yours.
One more thing. Please do not pretend like you know what our job entails regarding establishing a water supply, staffing and response, it just makes you look all that more ignorant.
I am not a fireman, and am not counting my five seasons on USFS Hot Shot and engine crews in SoCal; but, over the years, I have been close enough to the trade, to understand that the world is full of Armchair Fire Chiefs.
The PRIMARY role of government is to provide protection for the people.
