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Old Jan 24, 2023 | 06:24 PM
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Hi guys, I have 2009 Ford F150, 4.6l V8, automatic transmission, 4x4. 187k miles. I have an issue where on the stop sign or on a red light even when pushing my brakes to he ground my car still wants to drive forward. It's not the weak brakes, it feels like the longer I'm holding the brake pedal the more strength the engine and transmission applying to the car. If I'll hold it for too long it'll rip it as if I was pressing gas pedal at same time. Don't have any codes or check engine light. Can't figure this one out, any ideas?
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Old Jan 24, 2023 | 08:28 PM
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Does it feel like the engine is running too fast or that the transmission isn't engaging?
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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89
Does it feel like the engine is running too fast or that the transmission isn't engaging?
It feels like I'm giving gas at the same time as holding brake pedal. If it would be manual transmission it feels like I didn't press clutch in and just holding brakes with the car in a gear.

Basically, I'm rolling up to the stop sign/red light, holding brakes to the floor, car stops, but then tried to keep going, so I have to press brakes harder, and basically fighting with the car. You can feel rpms and the engine is under load, like it wants to drive forward.
Only thing that saves is I'm always switching to neutral on the stop, so it doesn't push me forward.
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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 08:36 AM
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It feels like I'm giving gas at the same time as holding brake pedal.
Maybe you are. On many newer vehicles the brake and gas pedals are pretty close together. I'm bad about only placing my right foot on the edge of the brake pedal and it is possible to be covering both at the same time. If you press the brake pedal close enough to the floor you will reach a point where you are also pressing the gas pedal slightly. The brakes still hold, but you do bump up rpm's a bit. Next time it happens look at your tach.

I don't recall ever doing this in my F150. But I've caught myself doing it several times while driving my Tacoma, especially if wearing boots. Everything is closer in the Tacoma, but someone posted about doing that in a Ford here recently.
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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 09:22 AM
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I would check underneath for a physical thing like a wire that's wrapped around the brake and/or gas pedal causing them to move simultaneously. I would also make sure that the floor mat is not covering the gas pedal. Even if it does not look like the floormat is an issue, Id remove it and see what happens.
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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by marshallr
Maybe you are. On many newer vehicles the brake and gas pedals are pretty close together. I'm bad about only placing my right foot on the edge of the brake pedal and it is possible to be covering both at the same time. If you press the brake pedal close enough to the floor you will reach a point where you are also pressing the gas pedal slightly. The brakes still hold, but you do bump up rpm's a bit. Next time it happens look at your tach.

I don't recall ever doing this in my F150. But I've caught myself doing it several times while driving my Tacoma, especially if wearing boots. Everything is closer in the Tacoma, but someone posted about doing that in a Ford here recently.
That's definitely not the case. Also, rpm doesn't go up, but it goes down a little bit with time, like engine is about to stall.
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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by teejay
I would check underneath for a physical thing like a wire that's wrapped around the brake and/or gas pedal causing them to move simultaneously. I would also make sure that the floor mat is not covering the gas pedal. Even if it does not look like the floormat is an issue, Id remove it and see what happens.
I checked that already, didn't find anything that would be touching the pedal. The thing is, that if the gas pedal would be the problem then the rpms would go up, but instead they go down like if the engine is about to stall.
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Since the engine is not increasing RPMs, I'd suspect that the torque converter clutch is stuck on.



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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89
Since the engine is not increasing RPMs, I'd suspect that the torque converter clutch is stuck on.
How I'd check something like that?
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Old Jan 25, 2023 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dany03
How I'd check something like that?
See below excerpt from the FSM.

Torque Converter Operation Test

This test verifies that the Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) control system and the torque converter are operating correctly.
  1. Carry out self-test with the scan tool. Refer to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual. Check for DTCs.
  1. Connect a scan tool to the vehicle and monitor engine rpm.
  1. Bring the engine to normal operating temperature by driving the vehicle at highway speeds with the selector lever in the (D) position.
  1. After normal operating temperature is reached, maintain a constant vehicle speed of about 80 km/h (50 mph) and tap brake pedal with the left foot.
  1. Engine rpm should increase when brake pedal is tapped and decrease about 5 seconds after pedal is released. If this does not occur, see torque converter operation concerns. Refer to Diagnosis By Symptom in this section.
  1. If the vehicle stalls in (D) or MANUAL 2 at idle with vehicle at a stop, move the selector lever to MANUAL 1 position. If the vehicle stalls, see torque converter operation concerns. Refer to Diagnosis By Symptom in this section. If the vehicle does not stall in (D), refer to Diagnosis By Symptom in this section.
  1. If the vehicle exhibits a vibration during the road test, complete the Road Test Evaluation Form. This form will aid the technician in determining the source of the vibration.


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