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Old 10-14-2017, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee308
Well, I now have warped rotors on the front of my 2013 truck, 27k miles.
No hard stops or towing.
New technology sucks !
I want my 1995 F150 back!
Smart charge sucks !
Your rotors are new technology? It's actually the pads that are the problem, almost certainly. And they are even older tech than the rotors. But probably didn't get burnished properly.
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Just fyi... my dealer is quoting $166 for a new Motorcraft battery which I assume is the silver calcium battery that the manual specs. They said they've never heard of the Battery Monitoring System reset procedure, and he's been doing this job for 8 years.
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We should make a list of everything that parts replacers don't know. And then send it to them.
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Ha! We (collectively) simply don't have that kind of time on our hands...

Back in May, I had to make a training (phone) video for Walnut Creek Ford of how to properly torque front end components, and even the wheels. -and it's not like they only had 1 chance at it either! "Technicians" my eye... You think that would be considered "basic" training, right after how to check the air pressure in tires.
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Originally Posted by STingray1300
Ha! We (collectively) simply don't have that kind of time on our hands...

Back in May, I had to make a training (phone) video for Walnut Creek Ford of how to properly torque front end components, and even the wheels. -and it's not like they only had 1 chance at it either! "Technicians" my eye... You think that would be considered "basic" training, right after how to check the air pressure in tires.
It really is a sad state of affairs at dealer service departments these days, most have lost all of the experienced techs due to greed on their part, they wanted us to work below the poverty level while maintaining highly technical rolling multiplexed networks, so most of the seasoned techs left for greener pastures, I'm one of them.

There are a few rare cases where the dealer will modify pay scales to adjust for Ford's aggressive greed of cutting service labor time standards so low they can only afford to hire kids still wet behind the ears just to keep a trained tech on duty.

If you are lucky to find one of those dealers, hold on for life. Otherwise you may as well just go to Jiffy lube for repairs.
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Just wondering but couldn't a person just leave the sensor unplugged for like a few days of driving, plug it back in and let it sit for 8hrs and then be fine?? Mine only seems to give me the "system off to save battery" when it's cold out. Do you get a check engine light with it unplugged? or anything on dash? Warnings?

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I used to get this message.
Then I figured out just charge your truck with a battery charger. Positive on positive and the negative ground it on the buddy so that the sensor below the ground reads that the battery is getting a charge
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Originally Posted by Rnlcomp
It really is a sad state of affairs at dealer service departments these days, most have lost all of the experienced techs due to greed on their part, they wanted us to work below the poverty level while maintaining highly technical rolling multiplexed networks, so most of the seasoned techs left for greener pastures, I'm one of them.

There are a few rare cases where the dealer will modify pay scales to adjust for Ford's aggressive greed of cutting service labor time standards so low they can only afford to hire kids still wet behind the ears just to keep a trained tech on duty.

If you are lucky to find one of those dealers, hold on for life. Otherwise you may as well just go to Jiffy lube for repairs.
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No, I hear ya. Back when I ran an indy shop, I used to refer people to WC Ford. I miss the days when I could talk with someone on a knowledgeable level to communicate issues on a vehicle. But when you have to explain to a "tech" what he should look for, that gets nauseating. There are a couple of real "techs" at WC Ford, but they mostly work in their specialty (transmissions, drive trains and computer systems) other than those specialties, I have to take into consideration that I'm probably in for a multi-visit issue fix (if it's under warranty, otherwise I'll do it myself in my shop at home).

Rnlcomp, just know that folks like me truly miss folks like you in service depts.
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Originally Posted by STingray1300
No, I hear ya. Back when I ran an indy shop, I used to refer people to WC Ford. I miss the days when I could talk with someone on a knowledgeable level to communicate issues on a vehicle. But when you have to explain to a "tech" what he should look for, that gets nauseating. There are a couple of real "techs" at WC Ford, but they mostly work in their specialty (transmissions, drive trains and computer systems) other than those specialties, I have to take into consideration that I'm probably in for a multi-visit issue fix (if it's under warranty, otherwise I'll do it myself in my shop at home).

Rnlcomp, just know that folks like me truly miss folks like you in service depts.
When I bought my truck new in 2013 I also bought the computer system dealer tech's use to diag all the electronics, $1,500+ and considered it an accessory purchase. I have warranty till 2020 but like you I will come out of pocket before I take it in when it's something small, already replaced my battery which would have been free. The $90 cost and a few mins of my time is worth a helluva lot more than time missed waiting and worrying the luber goober changing it don't screw it up.

The day I decided to leave was right after I sat down and had to decide between paying the light bill or putting food on my families table.
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Great info here....



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