Balancing bags any good?
06-16-2015, 09:42 AM
#11
King Hater
Dynabeads is what I was going to recommend.
06-16-2015, 10:38 AM
#12
Senior Member
running 6 oz in with my 35's.. wouldn't ever run weights on that size. And if you do any off roading, knock one weight off and have a fun trip back to tire store...
06-17-2015, 03:44 PM
#16
It's hard to explain but as momentum is screamed the beads are going to get carried. It's hard to explain unless you can see it in the tire.
I was a tire tech for 6 years and can tell you these don't work.
It sounds like a good idea. But in theory they don't and can't work the way you would think.
I was a tire tech for 6 years and can tell you these don't work.
It sounds like a good idea. But in theory they don't and can't work the way you would think.
06-17-2015, 04:02 PM
#17
It's hard to explain but as momentum is screamed the beads are going to get carried. It's hard to explain unless you can see it in the tire.
I was a tire tech for 6 years and can tell you these don't work.
It sounds like a good idea. But in theory they don't and can't work the way you would think.
I was a tire tech for 6 years and can tell you these don't work.
It sounds like a good idea. But in theory they don't and can't work the way you would think.
You don't know what your talking about, I've been running dynabeads in all my vehicles for years and they DO WORK!
06-17-2015, 04:02 PM
#18
I Like Tires
Balancing bags any good?
Originally Posted by DBL Boost
I would not use them as it as they create cintrifical force and can put weight where it's not needed.
Originally Posted by NastyFFX4
Where is it not needed?
In balancing you are placing the weights to the opposite side of the heavy spot on the tire for a STATIC balance. With a good balancer DYNAMIC balance is possible which accounts for weight difference in a vertical axis and weight difference from side to side.
Due to Centrifugal forces the heaviest side of the tire is going to be slung the furthest from the center of rotation. In my mind this would create a pocket for the beads to sit in which is exactly where you DO NOT want them to be. You want them opposite of that. Further due to the dynamic load being placed on the tire from the weight of the vehicle, there is a flatter spot at the bottom, in my mind, this would disrupt the beads from staying in one spot of the tire every time they reach the bottom.
They also have that dumb video of the beads inside a bottle and spinning it on a drill showing it somehow spinning smoothly which is about as terrible of a representation for balancing a tire as you can get.
I don't wish to argue with anyone on the validity of balancing beads I am only presenting facts that I know to be true and if someone can produce an answer to the contrary I would love to hear it. I know people swear they work I'm not going to argue that as I am not the one driving the vehicle nor have I ever personally tried them.
Facts about the balancing beads:
IF they work, they will only provide a static balance. Not a dynamic balance which is preferred over static.
Also they will only work while traveling at speed. If you are in stop and go traffic, there is no benefit.
If anyone can explain the science behind the beads I would love to hear their thoughts. My suggestion is find a better shop to balance your tires.
06-17-2015, 04:06 PM
#19
The science behind the beads is very fishy to me.
In balancing you are placing the weights to the opposite side of the heavy spot on the tire for a STATIC balance. With a good balancer DYNAMIC balance is possible which accounts for weight difference in a vertical axis and weight difference from side to side.
Due to Centrifugal forces the heaviest side of the tire is going to be slung the furthest from the center of rotation. In my mind this would create a pocket for the beads to sit in which is exactly where you DO NOT want them to be. You want them opposite of that. Further due to the dynamic load being placed on the tire from the weight of the vehicle, there is a flatter spot at the bottom, in my mind, this would disrupt the beads from staying in one spot of the tire every time they reach the bottom.
They also have that dumb video of the beads inside a bottle and spinning it on a drill showing it somehow spinning smoothly which is about as terrible of a representation for balancing a tire as you can get.
I don't wish to argue with anyone on the validity of balancing beads I am only presenting facts that I know to be true and if someone can produce an answer to the contrary I would love to hear it. I know people swear they work I'm not going to argue that as I am not the one driving the vehicle nor have I ever personally tried them.
Facts about the balancing beads:
IF they work, they will only provide a static balance. Not a dynamic balance which is preferred over static.
Also they will only work while traveling at speed. If you are in stop and go traffic, there is no benefit.
If anyone can explain the science behind the beads I would love to hear their thoughts. My suggestion is find a better shop to balance your tires.
In balancing you are placing the weights to the opposite side of the heavy spot on the tire for a STATIC balance. With a good balancer DYNAMIC balance is possible which accounts for weight difference in a vertical axis and weight difference from side to side.
Due to Centrifugal forces the heaviest side of the tire is going to be slung the furthest from the center of rotation. In my mind this would create a pocket for the beads to sit in which is exactly where you DO NOT want them to be. You want them opposite of that. Further due to the dynamic load being placed on the tire from the weight of the vehicle, there is a flatter spot at the bottom, in my mind, this would disrupt the beads from staying in one spot of the tire every time they reach the bottom.
They also have that dumb video of the beads inside a bottle and spinning it on a drill showing it somehow spinning smoothly which is about as terrible of a representation for balancing a tire as you can get.
I don't wish to argue with anyone on the validity of balancing beads I am only presenting facts that I know to be true and if someone can produce an answer to the contrary I would love to hear it. I know people swear they work I'm not going to argue that as I am not the one driving the vehicle nor have I ever personally tried them.
Facts about the balancing beads:
IF they work, they will only provide a static balance. Not a dynamic balance which is preferred over static.
Also they will only work while traveling at speed. If you are in stop and go traffic, there is no benefit.
If anyone can explain the science behind the beads I would love to hear their thoughts. My suggestion is find a better shop to balance your tires.
Personal experience in using them for many years contradicts your belief's. Proven science behind them
This is how they work and they do indeed work.
Last edited by RLXXI; 06-17-2015 at 04:08 PM.
06-17-2015, 09:03 PM
#20
I Like Tires
Balancing bags any good?
Originally Posted by Rnlcomp
Dynamic=changing as in constantly being balanced, static= never changing, once balanced that very moment in time they are balanced, as the tire wears it will lose that and require rebalancing.
Personal experience in using them for many years contradicts your belief's. Proven science behind them
This is how they work and they do indeed work.
Personal experience in using them for many years contradicts your belief's. Proven science behind them
This is how they work and they do indeed work.
A static balance balances the tire for an imbalance in an up and down force.
A dynamic balance does the up and down force as well as "side to side" a lateral twist/torque, one sidewall being heavier than the other side for example.
The bottle is a cool video but still not an accurate representation for a tire.