Autozone Duralast
05-03-2015, 11:22 PM
#21
We have the Motorcraft on my wife's sub... Do you find yours squeal a lot when stopping from moderate speeds? It drives her bonkers... The dealer just said oh, well they are fine.... I was just wondering if another solution is available if it is just a fact of life with these pads.
Motorcraft pads are notorious for squealing. As with all brake pads, you need to make sure that you lubricate all the contact points on the brake pads, including the Teflon pads where they contact the caliper when you install them. That causes the pads to vibrate at a different frequency, hopefully outside of the human range.
That is the only safe trick that I know. The other is to wait for the pads to wear more and that will shift their frequency, hopefully high enough that you stop hearing them.
Last edited by soaringfalcon; 05-05-2015 at 06:43 AM. Reason: lewis26 made me do it
05-04-2015, 12:02 AM
#22
Senior Member
@ 94k miles I'm just now considering changing pads. Rear pads are about 2/3 and front pads are about 1/3, just now getting some minor pulsation in the peddle at hard braking. Passenger's side caliper might need the pins re-greased or replacement as inner pad wear is slightly tapered.
05-04-2015, 10:49 AM
#23
Senior Member
Just an FYI Amazon does this all the time with items. I have caught several deals with them over the years and when multiple people start buying whatever item at a lower price they slowly jack the price up again. If you can catch them when its low jump.
05-04-2015, 12:00 PM
#24
All breaks squeal, it happens when the break pads vibrate against the rotor and caliper. The trick is to make them squeal at a frequency that humans cannot hear.
Motorcraft pads are notorious for squealing. As with all break pads, you need to make sure that you lubricate all the contact points on the break pads, including the Teflon pads where they contact the caliper when you install them. That causes the pads to vibrate at a different frequency, hopefully outside of the human range.
That is the only safe trick that I know. The other is to wait for the pads to wear more and that will shift their frequency, hopefully high enough that you stop hearing them.
Motorcraft pads are notorious for squealing. As with all break pads, you need to make sure that you lubricate all the contact points on the break pads, including the Teflon pads where they contact the caliper when you install them. That causes the pads to vibrate at a different frequency, hopefully outside of the human range.
That is the only safe trick that I know. The other is to wait for the pads to wear more and that will shift their frequency, hopefully high enough that you stop hearing them.
05-04-2015, 01:07 PM
#25
For close to the same price as the premium AutoZone pads, you could get a set of Hawk LTS pads. Seems like a no-brainer to me. For the front, $200 would get you Hawk LTS pads and a couple Raybestos Advanced Technology Rotors, which would be a very difficult package to beat:
05-04-2015, 06:52 PM
#26
You're one of those taking advantage. Just because they continue to allow you to take advantage... doesn't mean you're not, or that the expressly written warranty isn't clear. Good on you for having found absolute clueless suckers, or friends or maybe both, bad on the rest of us, who actually pay for your parts. Believe it, they don't "give away" anything. It's a for-profit business and they unquestionably do profit. People doing what you do simply increases the costs for all in the long term.
It's been years since I bought anything but motorcycle straps from AZ, but the same situation exists across the board w/ parts chain stores and even if it didn't, they'd all have justification to raise prices because 1 needs to raise prices.
Written AutoZone (US) warranty: "If a part fails during the warranty period shown on your receipt, bring the part to any AutoZone store and you will receive a replacement or refund. Warranty excludes damage caused by misuse, abuse, other faulty parts, improper installation or off-road, commercial or marine use. Warranties on replacement parts cover the unused portion of the original warranty or 90 days, whichever is longer. Warranties expire when you sell your vehicle." - AutoZone.
http://www.autozone.com/termsandcond...itedWarranties
"Lifetime" almost always means the "Lifetime of the part under normal use" as opposed to vehicle, although it can certainly mean, "Your vehicles life." which would expire when the vehicle does, or is sold.
Return policy page says: "AUTOZONE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO LIMIT RETURNS AND EXCHANGES REGARDLESS OF RECEIPT."
Kinda like a "Lifetime Warranty" is only a Limited Lifetime Warranty, huh...
The pads are lifetime, but they are so hard they will eat thru the rotor, rather than wear out.
I got a set for my mustang, 20k later I had to replace them, the Pads had uneven wear and were eating thru the rotor when they were not worn.
The Rotors looked like a rusted heap, pitted to hell and warped. I will Never buy Those "cheap" parts ever again.
I went back to my Ford Dealer and asked them for the best price on Motorcraft Breaks and Rotors. They were within $100 of the AutoZone junk for a set of pads and rotors for both the front and back.
Picked them up, 30k later the Motorcraft parts are still working flawlessly, pads have about 50% left on them and rotors are shiny, and since the hats were painted, the non shiny parts were nice and black, not rusty and flaking like the AutoZone ones.
Picked them up, 30k later the Motorcraft parts are still working flawlessly, pads have about 50% left on them and rotors are shiny, and since the hats were painted, the non shiny parts were nice and black, not rusty and flaking like the AutoZone ones.
That's rare and it seems ya must drive slow!!
05-04-2015, 07:40 PM
#27
I'm not really trying to ruffle any feathers, but over the last 30yrs, I've had my fill of this stuff. Please don't take it too personally.
You're one of those taking advantage. Just because they continue to allow you to take advantage... doesn't mean you're not, or that the expressly written warranty isn't clear. Good on you for having found absolute clueless suckers, or friends or maybe both, bad on the rest of us, who actually pay for your parts. Believe it, they don't "give away" anything. It's a for-profit business and they unquestionably do profit. People doing what you do simply increases the costs for all in the long term.
It's been years since I bought anything but motorcycle straps from AZ, but the same situation exists across the board w/ parts chain stores and even if it didn't, they'd all have justification to raise prices because 1 needs to raise prices.
Written AutoZone (US) warranty: "If a part fails during the warranty period shown on your receipt, bring the part to any AutoZone store and you will receive a replacement or refund. Warranty excludes damage caused by misuse, abuse, other faulty parts, improper installation or off-road, commercial or marine use. Warranties on replacement parts cover the unused portion of the original warranty or 90 days, whichever is longer. Warranties expire when you sell your vehicle." - AutoZone.
http://www.autozone.com/termsandcond...itedWarranties
"Lifetime" almost always means the "Lifetime of the part under normal use" as opposed to vehicle, although it can certainly mean, "Your vehicles life." which would expire when the vehicle does, or is sold.
Return policy page says: "AUTOZONE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO LIMIT RETURNS AND EXCHANGES REGARDLESS OF RECEIPT."
Kinda like a "Lifetime Warranty" is only a Limited Lifetime Warranty, huh...
Not all of them, by any means. Like most retailers, they have rotors from many nations, including places like Italy.
Common fallacy. The pads are always, always, always made of a material with is lighter and weaker than rotors made of steel. The fact the steel is poured and the pads are pressed, alone, tells us that fact.
This is almost always a result of bad calipers or bad hoses(or both). Rarely, at best, it's actually the rotors themselves.
Steel pits, warps and rusts. Since those are natural conditions, they'll also surely happen when hundreds of degrees is added and subtracted thousands of times. After all, it happens if they simply sit outside w/o protection.
Upper end rotors would almost all offer the same result as the MotorCraft brand. More often than not, dealerships replace brake pads with a brand not built by the manufacturer. In fact, I doubt a single Ford has had Ford made pads in about 40yrs. All this stuff is contracted out like a nut or bolt.
That's rare and it seems ya must drive slow!!
You're one of those taking advantage. Just because they continue to allow you to take advantage... doesn't mean you're not, or that the expressly written warranty isn't clear. Good on you for having found absolute clueless suckers, or friends or maybe both, bad on the rest of us, who actually pay for your parts. Believe it, they don't "give away" anything. It's a for-profit business and they unquestionably do profit. People doing what you do simply increases the costs for all in the long term.
It's been years since I bought anything but motorcycle straps from AZ, but the same situation exists across the board w/ parts chain stores and even if it didn't, they'd all have justification to raise prices because 1 needs to raise prices.
Written AutoZone (US) warranty: "If a part fails during the warranty period shown on your receipt, bring the part to any AutoZone store and you will receive a replacement or refund. Warranty excludes damage caused by misuse, abuse, other faulty parts, improper installation or off-road, commercial or marine use. Warranties on replacement parts cover the unused portion of the original warranty or 90 days, whichever is longer. Warranties expire when you sell your vehicle." - AutoZone.
http://www.autozone.com/termsandcond...itedWarranties
"Lifetime" almost always means the "Lifetime of the part under normal use" as opposed to vehicle, although it can certainly mean, "Your vehicles life." which would expire when the vehicle does, or is sold.
Return policy page says: "AUTOZONE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO LIMIT RETURNS AND EXCHANGES REGARDLESS OF RECEIPT."
Kinda like a "Lifetime Warranty" is only a Limited Lifetime Warranty, huh...
Not all of them, by any means. Like most retailers, they have rotors from many nations, including places like Italy.
Common fallacy. The pads are always, always, always made of a material with is lighter and weaker than rotors made of steel. The fact the steel is poured and the pads are pressed, alone, tells us that fact.
This is almost always a result of bad calipers or bad hoses(or both). Rarely, at best, it's actually the rotors themselves.
Steel pits, warps and rusts. Since those are natural conditions, they'll also surely happen when hundreds of degrees is added and subtracted thousands of times. After all, it happens if they simply sit outside w/o protection.
Upper end rotors would almost all offer the same result as the MotorCraft brand. More often than not, dealerships replace brake pads with a brand not built by the manufacturer. In fact, I doubt a single Ford has had Ford made pads in about 40yrs. All this stuff is contracted out like a nut or bolt.
That's rare and it seems ya must drive slow!!
I am not, just setting some things straight.
Yes, AutoZone does sell Rotors not made in China, but they usually are different more expensive brands that DuraLast. We are not talking about those rotors or pads here as the OP asked specifically about our opinion of Duralast.
All the DuraLast rotors that I have purchased so far have been Made in China of crappy steel, so crappy that the gold pads eat right thru them. This is my Personal experience, again, what the OP asked for.
As to your comment about the issue being with the Caliper or brake hoses:
My opinion is that the crappy DuraLast parts are the culprit. As the Motorcraft parts have been working flawlessly (minus a little squeal) for 30k miles AFTER the AutoZone parts gave up at 20k. Both were installed on the same vehicle with the same calipers and the same brake hoses. Heck even the tires, wheel and suspension were the same.
Note: The Duralast rotors were so bad after 20k that they could not be turned. I am not going to say what the machine shop called them on here.
No one manufactures their parts, they have not since the 1920s. What they do do however, is test those parts and QC them before they put their name on them to make sure they meet their standards.
You consider Motorcraft rotors comparable to the upper end? You must think highly of Motorcraft to compare them to the likes of Brembo and Wilwood!
Last edited by soaringfalcon; 05-05-2015 at 06:43 AM. Reason: lewis26 made me do it
05-04-2015, 08:00 PM
#28
Senior Member
Thread Starter
The Powerstop brake kits look like a good deal for the money. Sub $500 for slotted/drilled rotors and matching pads.
Anyone ever used the Powerstop kits that Stage 3 sells?
Anyone ever used the Powerstop kits that Stage 3 sells?
05-04-2015, 08:09 PM
#29
Senior Member
Autozone Duralast
I have the PowerStop truck and tow kit from Stage 3. Nice kit. the pads dusted a lot at first but lightened up after break in. Stopping power is good, better when warm, and no noise.
05-04-2015, 09:58 PM
#30
Thanks, I didn't realize they all squeal since I can never hear the Autozone ones on my Expedition. I guess we will hold out a while and see if they stop otherwise we will just pull the Motorcraft off and put on the Autozone ones... If she will even let me wait much longer, her SUV sounds like it is metal to metal when backing out in the morning and all the neighbors turn to stare. The pads only have 3k miles on them and the dealer says nothing wrong, "they just do it". Thanks for the info!
If the dealer put them in, make some noise, back into the bay to show them how loud they are, and then ask them if they are willing to listen to that racket every day.
If you have not purchased the new brakes yet, look into Raybestos or Wagner thermoquiet, they are about the same price.
Last edited by soaringfalcon; 05-05-2015 at 06:44 AM. Reason: lewis26 made me do it
