5.0 v8 or ecoboost?
07-10-2012, 11:09 AM
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Are you simple? Lol blocks change all the time, but are you implying that ford has no experience with this engine and that the previous ones were not a factor in the development of the current 5.0? If so I'm really confused as to why you would think they wouldn't take what is proven of the 5.0 and use that in the development. I never said that they used the same exact specs that they used in fox body stangs or anything from that era or before.
I'm sorry to the OP for getting this thread off track and in my opinion I would agree with everyone else on here that you really should drive both to really know which is for you but honestly I would hold out longer. This is just here say and I've heard it a lot but supposedly dodge and ford are both looking into a smaller diesel for there 1/2 ton trucks. Which it may sound strange to some but with the numbers and efficiency of the newer diesels I would not be one to doubt it. And as much as it pains me to say it, I wouldn't doubt a new body style will be in the works as well... 04-08- 4 years, here we are on the 5th model year of this bodystyle...
I'm sorry to the OP for getting this thread off track and in my opinion I would agree with everyone else on here that you really should drive both to really know which is for you but honestly I would hold out longer. This is just here say and I've heard it a lot but supposedly dodge and ford are both looking into a smaller diesel for there 1/2 ton trucks. Which it may sound strange to some but with the numbers and efficiency of the newer diesels I would not be one to doubt it. And as much as it pains me to say it, I wouldn't doubt a new body style will be in the works as well... 04-08- 4 years, here we are on the 5th model year of this bodystyle...
07-10-2012, 11:11 AM
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Another xx vs xx engine thread......... wow. Sometimes i wonder why i even bother with these threads but its some of the downright INCORRECT, WRONG, MISINFORMED info that some of these people spew into this forum that make me come in and play so here we go..............
WRONG. Premium fuel is NOT required in the Ecoboost.
You bought the wrong truck. I hate to be blunt but why would you tow that kind of weight with an engine that doesnt make over 300 lb/ft of torque until sky high in the rpm range. Also why would you opt for 3.55 gears?
The single biggest deciding factor on which engine to choose is whether or not you will tow heavy with your truck...... period. If you plan to tow 7k+ regularly youd be crazy to buy the 5.0 over the EB.
Really? How is the 5.0 more proven or reliable? Do you have any idea how many blown 5.0s there were when the Mustang was first released with it? Read up on #8 piston failure.
The 5.0 is NOT without its issues.... trust me.
Lol this is the most uninformed post in a LONG time on this forum. The current 5.0 shares absolutely 0 (ZERO, NOTHING) in terms of hardware with the old 5.0. You are aware the old 302 was a pushrod motor right?
Intake and ignition differences dont even scratch the surface.
Go back inside and play your nintendo Wii............ this discussion is for big boys.
You are aware that the current 5.0 has basically no low end torque right? Its a high revving engine that gets its HP from HIGH RPM.
As a matter of fact, the outgoing 5.4 has MUCH MORE low end torque than the 5.0...
WRONG. Premium fuel is NOT required in the Ecoboost.
I just got my new 2012 f150 with the 5.0 rear 3.55 , wheel base 157 18inch wheel
the saleman said you'll do just fine towing my 5wheel.
now after reading all these posting not sure! I have 6.5 bed thinking this would be ok so wouldn't have go with a slider type hitch. this is one question i have, the other is
my 5wheel has a dry wt of 6600lb. now my manual for my f150 states my max tow wt. is 7500 lb this doesn't sound good to me. any help will be welcome
the saleman said you'll do just fine towing my 5wheel.
now after reading all these posting not sure! I have 6.5 bed thinking this would be ok so wouldn't have go with a slider type hitch. this is one question i have, the other is
my 5wheel has a dry wt of 6600lb. now my manual for my f150 states my max tow wt. is 7500 lb this doesn't sound good to me. any help will be welcome
The single biggest deciding factor on which engine to choose is whether or not you will tow heavy with your truck...... period. If you plan to tow 7k+ regularly youd be crazy to buy the 5.0 over the EB.
The 5.0 is NOT without its issues.... trust me.
The 5.0 is a new engine??? That's news to me. That block has been used since the 60s. I don't deny the ecoboost at all I had a king ranch Eco and I loved driving it. But saying the 5.0 is new? The engines are the same, the materials change, intakes change, ignitions change, but people have been working on 5.0s (302s) for years. If anyone in hear would be unbiased towards this thread it would be me, I have the 09' 4.6. So I was a little upset when a year later there are 3 new engines, but I have to say after driving the Eco I'm impressed and there's something about a 5.0. I'm more than likely gonna turbo my 4.6 because it would be a great platform for a low boost setup. Just wish I had the 5.4, so much to do to them and a proven engine.
Intake and ignition differences dont even scratch the surface.
Uhm, I think you guys missed my point... How is the fact that it has the same displacement a minor factor... Ford has had plenty of experience with that engine through ford racing... They never stopped producing it, so it has adapted to the needs of today's v8 truck, fuel economy and power, as well as low rpm torque.
Go back inside and play your nintendo Wii............ this discussion is for big boys.
You are aware that the current 5.0 has basically no low end torque right? Its a high revving engine that gets its HP from HIGH RPM.
As a matter of fact, the outgoing 5.4 has MUCH MORE low end torque than the 5.0...
07-10-2012, 11:15 AM
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Are you simple? Lol blocks change all the time, but are you implying that ford has no experience with this engine and that the previous ones were not a factor in the development of the current 5.0? If so I'm really confused as to why you would think they wouldn't take what is proven of the 5.0 and use that in the development. I never said that they used the same exact specs that they used in fox body stangs or anything from that era or before.
You're a funny kid you know that?!
07-10-2012, 11:15 AM
#64
Another xx vs xx engine thread......... wow. Sometimes i wonder why i even bother with these threads but its some of the downright INCORRECT, WRONG, MISINFORMED info that some of these people spew into this forum that make me come in and play so here we go..............
WRONG. Premium fuel is NOT required in the Ecoboost.
You bought the wrong truck. I hate to be blunt but why would you tow that kind of weight with an engine that doesnt make over 300 lb/ft of torque until sky high in the rpm range. Also why would you opt for 3.55 gears?
The single biggest deciding factor on which engine to choose is whether or not you will tow heavy with your truck...... period. If you plan to tow 7k+ regularly youd be crazy to buy the 5.0 over the EB.
Really? How is the 5.0 more proven or reliable? Do you have any idea how many blown 5.0s there were when the Mustang was first released with it? Read up on #8 piston failure.
The 5.0 is NOT without its issues.... trust me.
Lol this is the most uninformed post in a LONG time on this forum. The current 5.0 shares absolutely 0 (ZERO, NOTHING) in terms of hardware with the old 5.0. You are aware the old 302 was a pushrod motor right?
Intake and ignition differences dont even scratch the surface.
Go back inside and play your nintendo Wii............ this discussion is for big boys.
You are aware that the current 5.0 has basically no low end torque right? Its a high revving engine that gets its HP from HIGH RPM.
As a matter of fact, the outgoing 5.4 has MUCH MORE low end torque than the 5.0...
WRONG. Premium fuel is NOT required in the Ecoboost.
You bought the wrong truck. I hate to be blunt but why would you tow that kind of weight with an engine that doesnt make over 300 lb/ft of torque until sky high in the rpm range. Also why would you opt for 3.55 gears?
The single biggest deciding factor on which engine to choose is whether or not you will tow heavy with your truck...... period. If you plan to tow 7k+ regularly youd be crazy to buy the 5.0 over the EB.
Really? How is the 5.0 more proven or reliable? Do you have any idea how many blown 5.0s there were when the Mustang was first released with it? Read up on #8 piston failure.
The 5.0 is NOT without its issues.... trust me.
Lol this is the most uninformed post in a LONG time on this forum. The current 5.0 shares absolutely 0 (ZERO, NOTHING) in terms of hardware with the old 5.0. You are aware the old 302 was a pushrod motor right?
Intake and ignition differences dont even scratch the surface.
Go back inside and play your nintendo Wii............ this discussion is for big boys.
You are aware that the current 5.0 has basically no low end torque right? Its a high revving engine that gets its HP from HIGH RPM.
As a matter of fact, the outgoing 5.4 has MUCH MORE low end torque than the 5.0...
07-10-2012, 11:26 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by JohnG2009XLT
Are you simple? Lol blocks change all the time, but are you implying that ford has no experience with this engine and that the previous ones were not a factor in the development of the current 5.0? If so I'm really confused as to why you would think they wouldn't take what is proven of the 5.0 and use that in the development. I never said that they used the same exact specs that they used in fox body stangs or anything from that era or before.
I'm sorry to the OP for getting this thread off track and in my opinion I would agree with everyone else on here that you really should drive both to really know which is for you but honestly I would hold out longer. This is just here say and I've heard it a lot but supposedly dodge and ford are both looking into a smaller diesel for there 1/2 ton trucks. Which it may sound strange to some but with the numbers and efficiency of the newer diesels I would not be one to doubt it. And as much as it pains me to say it, I wouldn't doubt a new body style will be in the works as well... 04-08- 4 years, here we are on the 5th model year of this bodystyle...
I'm sorry to the OP for getting this thread off track and in my opinion I would agree with everyone else on here that you really should drive both to really know which is for you but honestly I would hold out longer. This is just here say and I've heard it a lot but supposedly dodge and ford are both looking into a smaller diesel for there 1/2 ton trucks. Which it may sound strange to some but with the numbers and efficiency of the newer diesels I would not be one to doubt it. And as much as it pains me to say it, I wouldn't doubt a new body style will be in the works as well... 04-08- 4 years, here we are on the 5th model year of this bodystyle...
Actually if you stop making stuff up and do some research they don't even truly share the same displacement. Ford rounded the displacement in order to call it a 5.0. DO RESEARCH !!
07-10-2012, 11:31 AM
#66
This is simple math, kids.
5.0 is bigger than 3.5. Therefore, 5.0 is better.
Or... 420 lb ft of torque is more than 380 lb ft of torque. Therefore the 3.5 is better.
Or... ah, screw it... just buy what you like. I got the 5.0 because:
1) I don't tow heavy loads
2) I didn't want the complexity of the turbos long term.
3) I like the sound of the V8 (ironic since my Mustang is the 3.7 V6.)
4) The 5.0 was cheaper than the EB and the fuel economy difference wasn't big enough to make it a factor in the decision
5) The truck I bought came with the 5.0.
5.0 is bigger than 3.5. Therefore, 5.0 is better.
Or... 420 lb ft of torque is more than 380 lb ft of torque. Therefore the 3.5 is better.
Or... ah, screw it... just buy what you like. I got the 5.0 because:
1) I don't tow heavy loads
2) I didn't want the complexity of the turbos long term.
3) I like the sound of the V8 (ironic since my Mustang is the 3.7 V6.)
4) The 5.0 was cheaper than the EB and the fuel economy difference wasn't big enough to make it a factor in the decision
5) The truck I bought came with the 5.0.
07-10-2012, 11:32 AM
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Wow... It's the principle, some people on here are worse than the media. You take words out of context and twist them so you can find someone to poke fun at... I'm misinformed? Hmph its amazing how brazen people are when sitting behind a computer... You know it's ok to disagree, but you are completely missing my point, If you think R&D has nothing to do with past experiences you are the one who is extremely misinformed... Obviously it's not a pushrod motor, no **** Sherlock. It's an overhead cam!!!!
07-10-2012, 11:39 AM
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Did they round it up, really, no ****? You're all really fart smellers aren't you... It's pointless to argue because you can't even stop trying hard to just listen to the main point... It's a proven displacement, apparently I shouldn't have said it was the same block because someone would take it to this point... Every company I can think of rounds up displacement for liters... Would you really want to market an engine that was a 4.998 liter...
07-10-2012, 11:45 AM
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Wow... It's the principle, some people on here are worse than the media. You take words out of context and twist them so you can find someone to poke fun at... I'm misinformed? Hmph its amazing how brazen people are when sitting behind a computer... You know it's ok to disagree, but you are completely missing my point, If you think R&D has nothing to do with past experiences you are the one who is extremely misinformed... Obviously it's not a pushrod motor, no **** Sherlock. It's an overhead cam!!!!
07-10-2012, 11:46 AM
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Did they round it up, really, no ****? You're all really fart smellers aren't you... It's pointless to argue because you can't even stop trying hard to just listen to the main point... It's a proven displacement, apparently I shouldn't have said it was the same block because someone would take it to this point... Every company I can think of rounds up displacement for liters... Would you really want to market an engine that was a 4.998 liter...
Didnt really intend to get you all flustered but come on........ you posted info that factually is just not correct.
Man up and take it.
