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Old 12-09-2018, 07:26 PM
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do you live where it is cold right now? that will definitely decrease MPG. but 12.5 MPG is really bad even with the cold
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Originally Posted by IAJack
My stock tires were the Wranglers, I thought they were 265's?
Well, 4x2 is 265, 4x4 is 275. And there should be about an inch difference if you upsized. So, maybe a little mpg change due to that.
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It has only been down to 34F in the mornings here. I do not know if they use winter blend gas here in AZ.

Is it possible my IWE is stuck in 4x4 even though the light isn't on, how would I check? Although it doesn't feel like it is in 4x4.
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It has nothing to do with that, I was just pointing out that OEM tires are different for 4 or 2 wheel drive.

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Originally Posted by Spiky
Well, 4x2 is 265, 4x4 is 275. And there should be about an inch difference if you upsized. So, maybe a little mpg change due to that.
My 4x4 came with 265/70/17 tires from the factory. Also, it is an Eco with 3.31 gears and I average around 12-14 around town and 17 on the highway. I have literally never seen better than 17 mpg from the truck. I think your in the normal range.
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A lot of the low mpg's is from the cold idling in the mornings. That's a no-brainer.
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Originally Posted by IAJack
I will have to calculate my milage the old fasioned way on a couple of fill ups.
If your speedo is off you won't know the exact number of miles driven w/o a gps. If you can get one, it might help you understand current behavior and provide a sanity check of the dash mpg calculation..

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I have been starting my truck in the mornings and letting it warm up for about 10 minutes before work.
Vehicles using less advanced lubricants built to wider tolerances benefited from this practice. These days, it's just a waste of fuel. On cold mornings, I give it enough time for the fluids to circulate and get up to proper pressures and then roll.

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Originally Posted by ForwardNS
If your speedo is off you won't know the exact number of miles driven w/o a gps. If you can get one, it might help you understand current behavior and provide a sanity check of the dash mpg calculation..


Vehicles using less advanced lubricants built to wider tolerances benefited from this practice. These days, it's just a waste of fuel. On cold mornings, I give it enough time for the fluids to circulate and get up to proper pressures and then roll.
I have been warming it up in the mornings so that I have heat when I get int it. I am from the midwest but since I moved to AZ I am a wussy and get cold easily
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The tires you have are the stock size, which you can verify by reading the sticker on your door jamb, which shows the original tire size. I know it's stock, because I have a 2013 XLT.

If in fact your new tires were bigger, then yes, your MPG would be off, because a bigger tire in one revolution covers more ground than a smaller tire does. There are calculators on websites where you put in the original and then the new size and it tells you the error rate.

As to why your MPG is so low, one point you nailed is that you're warming it up for 10 minutes and it's colder. Here's how to validate that. I cannot imagine that the weather in Arizona is cold enough to justify a warmup, but that's your choice.

I would suggest the following:

1) When you get home from work one night, turn off the truck, then turn the key to accessory mode. Reset the trip odometer. Go through the menus and find the amount of gas used and write that down. In the morning, run your usual warmup, drive to work, and then when you get to work write down the specifics - mileage driven, mpg calculation, amount of gas left. That will tell you how much gas you used, how many miles were driven, and what the MPG calc is, which you can check by dividing the miles driven by the gas used.

2) When you get home on the 2nd night, do the same thing. Then, in the morning, DO NOT REMOTE START YOUR TRUCK. Get in, start it, and drive. Ideally temps would be close day to day. Write down the same numbers, and then compare day to day. You'll find out how much gas you're using in your warmup, and you'll also see what it's doing to the truck's MPG calculation... Gas is burned, no miles are driven.

I can tell you that one big impact on your MPG is that short drive. Stop and go traffic will also kill it.

With my 2013 with the 5.0 and 3.55 gearing, in the dead of winter in Michigan I don't think I drop below 14.5.

Your dash shows you that you are in 4x2 mode. You can get an electronic version of your manual at owner.ford.com.
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Originally Posted by Old Grey Mule
A lot of the low mpg's is from the cold idling in the mornings. That's a no-brainer.
Only if key-started. If remote started, the computer does not turn on and therefore does no calculations.


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