2015 weight loss effect on towing and payloads?
01-13-2014, 11:16 PM
#11
While the 6.7 is a big step in the right direction for Ford, I still don't know if its to the same level as the Duramax or Cummins.
I still have friends/acquaintances that have trouble with them. Even as new as 2013 models. Seems like turbos, fuel system problems and radiators are the major issues.
Perhaps the 2015 model will fix these shortcomings, but with Ford's previous track record, I'm not willing to gamble on that with the 2015 Powerstroke.
I still have friends/acquaintances that have trouble with them. Even as new as 2013 models. Seems like turbos, fuel system problems and radiators are the major issues.
Perhaps the 2015 model will fix these shortcomings, but with Ford's previous track record, I'm not willing to gamble on that with the 2015 Powerstroke.
01-14-2014, 02:20 AM
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From what I've read, they are saying the towing and payload won't differ much. Obviously no factual numbers are out so take that with a grain of salt.
Regardless, given the information in your post and amount of towing you do, the F150 is not ideal for you. Also, comparing a 3/4 ton Cummins to a F150 specifically with regards to towing and swaying is asinine. That won't net you a fair comparison whatsoever. Of course the 1/2 ton, gas, F150 is inferior to the 3/4 ton, diesel, Cummins when it comes to towing and swaying, lol.
This scenario is a candidate for weighing the pros & cons of each truck to facilitate your decision making.
Regardless, given the information in your post and amount of towing you do, the F150 is not ideal for you. Also, comparing a 3/4 ton Cummins to a F150 specifically with regards to towing and swaying is asinine. That won't net you a fair comparison whatsoever. Of course the 1/2 ton, gas, F150 is inferior to the 3/4 ton, diesel, Cummins when it comes to towing and swaying, lol.
This scenario is a candidate for weighing the pros & cons of each truck to facilitate your decision making.
01-14-2014, 07:53 AM
#13
I gotta say I really like the 2015 F150. Like the styling and powertrain choices. Love the interior.
I have been extremely impressed with my 2011 Ecoboost. Zero issues and tows fantastic. This is my first Ford and I am a happy camper. However I had two different Cummins trucks that I was also very happy with.
However, coming from a 2003 Ram Cummins, my current F150 doesn't feel as planted towing. I get more sway and overall I just don't feel as confident towing. The Cummins always felt stable. You could pull a 7000 lb enclosed trailer in the wind at 85 MPH and it felt great. The F150 hates the wind I just get more sway with the same trailers. The power is outstanding and I'm extremely happy with the Ecoboost motor.
Also, my Cummins did not sag so bad when putting dirt bikes or snowmobiles in the back or while towing. I bought the air bags to fix that, but when you look at actual payload numbers, my 1200 lb payload for my 7200 GVW truck is a little light. I go over the payload with 3 bikes. Even if I had the 7650 lb GVW I would be pushing it.
Basically I would much prefer a SuperDuty F250 with the Ecoboost motor. But since that's not available I'm looking at another Cummins. Sorry, but I don't have a lot of faith in the Powerstroke. Love the Duramax but I just don't like the GM truck around it. I find the new body style GM trucks just ugly. Hate the square wheel wells.
I tow enclosed 5000-7000 lb snowmobile trailers about 15-20% of the miles that are on my truck. I would say another 60-70% of my miles are with 1-3 dirt bikes in back. Basically my truck is a toy hauler. So towing stability and payload ratings are really the only reason I'm looking at getting back into another Cummins.
To sum it up I'm wondering what you guys think the weight loss will do for the towing stability. Simple laws of physics tell me its going to be worse, but maybe chassis refinement can make up for 700 lbs? Obviously the 1500-2000 lb weight difference combined with the heavier duty suspension really makes a big difference in how a truck pulls a trailer. Gotta wonder how much is the weight and how much is the suspension though.
But, I'm also curious if you guys think Ford will keep its current GVWs and GCWRs, therefore increasing payloads and tow ratings by 700 lbs? If so that would satisfy my payload needs.
Anyone have an idea when Ford is going to release specs?
My lease is up on my F150 in October and I am at this point thinking of putting in an order for a new Ram 2500 or 3500. However I am really thinking about the 2015 F150 as well.
I have been extremely impressed with my 2011 Ecoboost. Zero issues and tows fantastic. This is my first Ford and I am a happy camper. However I had two different Cummins trucks that I was also very happy with.
However, coming from a 2003 Ram Cummins, my current F150 doesn't feel as planted towing. I get more sway and overall I just don't feel as confident towing. The Cummins always felt stable. You could pull a 7000 lb enclosed trailer in the wind at 85 MPH and it felt great. The F150 hates the wind I just get more sway with the same trailers. The power is outstanding and I'm extremely happy with the Ecoboost motor.
Also, my Cummins did not sag so bad when putting dirt bikes or snowmobiles in the back or while towing. I bought the air bags to fix that, but when you look at actual payload numbers, my 1200 lb payload for my 7200 GVW truck is a little light. I go over the payload with 3 bikes. Even if I had the 7650 lb GVW I would be pushing it.
Basically I would much prefer a SuperDuty F250 with the Ecoboost motor. But since that's not available I'm looking at another Cummins. Sorry, but I don't have a lot of faith in the Powerstroke. Love the Duramax but I just don't like the GM truck around it. I find the new body style GM trucks just ugly. Hate the square wheel wells.
I tow enclosed 5000-7000 lb snowmobile trailers about 15-20% of the miles that are on my truck. I would say another 60-70% of my miles are with 1-3 dirt bikes in back. Basically my truck is a toy hauler. So towing stability and payload ratings are really the only reason I'm looking at getting back into another Cummins.
To sum it up I'm wondering what you guys think the weight loss will do for the towing stability. Simple laws of physics tell me its going to be worse, but maybe chassis refinement can make up for 700 lbs? Obviously the 1500-2000 lb weight difference combined with the heavier duty suspension really makes a big difference in how a truck pulls a trailer. Gotta wonder how much is the weight and how much is the suspension though.
But, I'm also curious if you guys think Ford will keep its current GVWs and GCWRs, therefore increasing payloads and tow ratings by 700 lbs? If so that would satisfy my payload needs.
Anyone have an idea when Ford is going to release specs?
My lease is up on my F150 in October and I am at this point thinking of putting in an order for a new Ram 2500 or 3500. However I am really thinking about the 2015 F150 as well.
Anyone can create numbers for towing/hauling,, to say a 700 lbs is not going to affect the towing is crazy. No way I am gonna tow with a 2.7L over stressed engine for any length of travel..It might do the job for short trips on flat lands but no way it holds up in hilly/mountainous terrain hauling 5-7k..And not fail prematurely. I don't expect the 2.7L to be any kind of maxtow truck..i am sure it will stay the 3.5LTT. This truck is all about MPG's period. Truck is already light as a feather, do you want to be towing a load that much heavier than your truck actually weighs then add some 20-30 mph winds,,not a chance....especially if it doesn't have electric brakes,, cant imagine what surge brakes would feel like with this truck..No thanks..
01-14-2014, 08:09 AM
#14
I believe I read somewhere yesterday that Ford said the towing capabilities would be increased...all while lowering the weight of the truck. Crazy!
I think it is quite likely that in the future people serious about towing will have to go to a 3/4 ton truck.
The F-150 is by far the best selling vehicle in the country. There is no way even half of these trucks are actually being used as trucks. Most of them are being used as grocery getting status symbols. I can't see how removing 700 LB from the truck makes it better in any way other than fuel economy but realistically that is more significant for most F-150 drivers.
I think it is quite likely that in the future people serious about towing will have to go to a 3/4 ton truck.
The F-150 is by far the best selling vehicle in the country. There is no way even half of these trucks are actually being used as trucks. Most of them are being used as grocery getting status symbols. I can't see how removing 700 LB from the truck makes it better in any way other than fuel economy but realistically that is more significant for most F-150 drivers.
01-14-2014, 08:12 AM
#15
Senior Member
I gotta say I really like the 2015 F150. Like the styling and powertrain choices. Love the interior.
I have been extremely impressed with my 2011 Ecoboost. Zero issues and tows fantastic. This is my first Ford and I am a happy camper. However I had two different Cummins trucks that I was also very happy with.
However, coming from a 2003 Ram Cummins, my current F150 doesn't feel as planted towing. I get more sway and overall I just don't feel as confident towing. The Cummins always felt stable. You could pull a 7000 lb enclosed trailer in the wind at 85 MPH and it felt great. The F150 hates the wind I just get more sway with the same trailers. The power is outstanding and I'm extremely happy with the Ecoboost motor.
Also, my Cummins did not sag so bad when putting dirt bikes or snowmobiles in the back or while towing. I bought the air bags to fix that, but when you look at actual payload numbers, my 1200 lb payload for my 7200 GVW truck is a little light. I go over the payload with 3 bikes. Even if I had the 7650 lb GVW I would be pushing it.
Basically I would much prefer a SuperDuty F250 with the Ecoboost motor. But since that's not available I'm looking at another Cummins. Sorry, but I don't have a lot of faith in the Powerstroke. Love the Duramax but I just don't like the GM truck around it. I find the new body style GM trucks just ugly. Hate the square wheel wells.
I tow enclosed 5000-7000 lb snowmobile trailers about 15-20% of the miles that are on my truck. I would say another 60-70% of my miles are with 1-3 dirt bikes in back. Basically my truck is a toy hauler. So towing stability and payload ratings are really the only reason I'm looking at getting back into another Cummins.
To sum it up I'm wondering what you guys think the weight loss will do for the towing stability. Simple laws of physics tell me its going to be worse, but maybe chassis refinement can make up for 700 lbs? Obviously the 1500-2000 lb weight difference combined with the heavier duty suspension really makes a big difference in how a truck pulls a trailer. Gotta wonder how much is the weight and how much is the suspension though.
But, I'm also curious if you guys think Ford will keep its current GVWs and GCWRs, therefore increasing payloads and tow ratings by 700 lbs? If so that would satisfy my payload needs.
Anyone have an idea when Ford is going to release specs?
My lease is up on my F150 in October and I am at this point thinking of putting in an order for a new Ram 2500 or 3500. However I am really thinking about the 2015 F150 as well.
I have been extremely impressed with my 2011 Ecoboost. Zero issues and tows fantastic. This is my first Ford and I am a happy camper. However I had two different Cummins trucks that I was also very happy with.
However, coming from a 2003 Ram Cummins, my current F150 doesn't feel as planted towing. I get more sway and overall I just don't feel as confident towing. The Cummins always felt stable. You could pull a 7000 lb enclosed trailer in the wind at 85 MPH and it felt great. The F150 hates the wind I just get more sway with the same trailers. The power is outstanding and I'm extremely happy with the Ecoboost motor.
Also, my Cummins did not sag so bad when putting dirt bikes or snowmobiles in the back or while towing. I bought the air bags to fix that, but when you look at actual payload numbers, my 1200 lb payload for my 7200 GVW truck is a little light. I go over the payload with 3 bikes. Even if I had the 7650 lb GVW I would be pushing it.
Basically I would much prefer a SuperDuty F250 with the Ecoboost motor. But since that's not available I'm looking at another Cummins. Sorry, but I don't have a lot of faith in the Powerstroke. Love the Duramax but I just don't like the GM truck around it. I find the new body style GM trucks just ugly. Hate the square wheel wells.
I tow enclosed 5000-7000 lb snowmobile trailers about 15-20% of the miles that are on my truck. I would say another 60-70% of my miles are with 1-3 dirt bikes in back. Basically my truck is a toy hauler. So towing stability and payload ratings are really the only reason I'm looking at getting back into another Cummins.
To sum it up I'm wondering what you guys think the weight loss will do for the towing stability. Simple laws of physics tell me its going to be worse, but maybe chassis refinement can make up for 700 lbs? Obviously the 1500-2000 lb weight difference combined with the heavier duty suspension really makes a big difference in how a truck pulls a trailer. Gotta wonder how much is the weight and how much is the suspension though.
But, I'm also curious if you guys think Ford will keep its current GVWs and GCWRs, therefore increasing payloads and tow ratings by 700 lbs? If so that would satisfy my payload needs.
Anyone have an idea when Ford is going to release specs?
My lease is up on my F150 in October and I am at this point thinking of putting in an order for a new Ram 2500 or 3500. However I am really thinking about the 2015 F150 as well.
From what you describe, I'd go with a F250 6.2L. If they put the ecoboost in a F250 SD, the extra weight would have you in boost more often and the gas mileage would not be too much different than the 6.2L. I've been in MT and the winds can be bad like west TX. I get where you're coming from on stability.
You can always but a used F250 7.3 or 6.0 modified and go that route.
01-14-2014, 08:35 AM
#16
Senior Member
I've read the tow ratings will be determined by the SAE test (that doesn't mean they won't sandbag some of them though, the test will determine the maximums but nothing says the published numbers can't be lower so they can 'bump' them in the future without making any changes).
01-14-2014, 02:32 PM
#19
While the 6.7 is a big step in the right direction for Ford, I still don't know if its to the same level as the Duramax or Cummins.
I still have friends/acquaintances that have trouble with them. Even as new as 2013 models. Seems like turbos, fuel system problems and radiators are the major issues.
Perhaps the 2015 model will fix these shortcomings, but with Ford's previous track record, I'm not willing to gamble on that with the 2015 Powerstroke.
I still have friends/acquaintances that have trouble with them. Even as new as 2013 models. Seems like turbos, fuel system problems and radiators are the major issues.
Perhaps the 2015 model will fix these shortcomings, but with Ford's previous track record, I'm not willing to gamble on that with the 2015 Powerstroke.
At least the 6.7 has a dpf specifically designed to be serviceable.
01-14-2014, 04:30 PM
#20
Just gonna throw throw out the fact that the 6.7 Cummins likes to blow head gaskets. The kicker is that nobody can seem to keep them from blowing either. Head studs, new gaskets, nothing is fool-proof at this time. Cummins is not the engine it used to be. All diesels are the same these days, overly complex and super expensive to fix.
I also agree that a 1/2 ton has its limits, and some people tow loads with a 1/2 ton that should be behind a 3/4 - 1-ton
The day i start towing a 9000+ pound trailer regularly, the F150 gets traded for a SuperDuty
Just some insight.
I also agree that a 1/2 ton has its limits, and some people tow loads with a 1/2 ton that should be behind a 3/4 - 1-ton
The day i start towing a 9000+ pound trailer regularly, the F150 gets traded for a SuperDuty
Just some insight.
