2011+ 55-60mph 5.0 Shuddering and EcoBoost Engine Miss/Loss of Power - Possible Fixes
08-25-2012, 01:22 PM
#1781
The EcoBoost commercials are like lipstick on a pig.
Let's just all acknowledge that Ford has put one over on us all and sold us a bill of goods that isn't quite up to even the lowest quality standards! It's really all of our faults though! At least for me it is, at my advanced years I should've known better than to buy the first generation of anything automotive!
I'm with you (EcoFX4d) on this one right before the warrenty is up this POS is out of here!
For Ford, it's fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. From now on it's Japanese for me, at least I'll know there won't be any Chinese parts in their stuff!
I'm with you (EcoFX4d) on this one right before the warrenty is up this POS is out of here!
For Ford, it's fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. From now on it's Japanese for me, at least I'll know there won't be any Chinese parts in their stuff!
08-26-2012, 08:02 AM
#1783
Senior Member
Since the beginning of this thread I have had doubts as to water in the IC.
But after a lot of thought and falling back on my experience with AC I have concluded it very well can happen.
A while back when it was a 105 here in Kansas I noticed that when I would drive in town a lot of stop and go shutting off the truck my Intake temp would shoot up to as high as 130 degrees when I would start it after sitting for a few minutes not running. I was amazed at how long it took that temp to fall to ambient, Several miles before getting back down to ambient temp.
Lets say this happens all the time and all of a sudden before the IC has a chance to cool down you run into a rain storm.
A very hot compresses air IC making contact with cold rain water will form water inside the IC.
I don't know what conditions exactly would cause this but if the IC is getting that hot and rain is lets say 60 degrees a swing of 50 to 60 degrees would make a lot of water..
So what is the fix?
IMO you either come up with something that drains the water........ Or relocate the IC further away from the radiator.
Shielding the IC I think would prolong the temperature.
Maybe the cooling fans need to run longer after shutting off the truck?
I found this article after posting and it confirms my observation.
http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Diese...8/article.html
But after a lot of thought and falling back on my experience with AC I have concluded it very well can happen.
A while back when it was a 105 here in Kansas I noticed that when I would drive in town a lot of stop and go shutting off the truck my Intake temp would shoot up to as high as 130 degrees when I would start it after sitting for a few minutes not running. I was amazed at how long it took that temp to fall to ambient, Several miles before getting back down to ambient temp.
Lets say this happens all the time and all of a sudden before the IC has a chance to cool down you run into a rain storm.
A very hot compresses air IC making contact with cold rain water will form water inside the IC.
I don't know what conditions exactly would cause this but if the IC is getting that hot and rain is lets say 60 degrees a swing of 50 to 60 degrees would make a lot of water..
So what is the fix?
IMO you either come up with something that drains the water........ Or relocate the IC further away from the radiator.
Shielding the IC I think would prolong the temperature.
Maybe the cooling fans need to run longer after shutting off the truck?
I found this article after posting and it confirms my observation.
http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Diese...8/article.html
Last edited by rmorris1953; 08-26-2012 at 09:11 AM.
08-26-2012, 02:23 PM
#1785
Use better gas. Not "higher octane" gas or "boosters." Stop buying gas from an off branded station who buys the sludge from a tanker and sells it a cent cheaper than everywhere else. Find higher QUALITY fuel.
You bought a premium, highly-engineered machine. Stop feeding it garbage and expecting anything but.
The majority of these problems look like whining or are self-perpetuating.
You bought a premium, highly-engineered machine. Stop feeding it garbage and expecting anything but.
The majority of these problems look like whining or are self-perpetuating.
08-26-2012, 02:48 PM
#1786
Haulin Bass!
Use better gas. Not "higher octane" gas or "boosters." Stop buying gas from an off branded station who buys the sludge from a tanker and sells it a cent cheaper than everywhere else. Find higher QUALITY fuel.
You bought a premium, highly-engineered machine. Stop feeding it garbage and expecting anything but.
The majority of these problems look like whining or are self-perpetuating.
You bought a premium, highly-engineered machine. Stop feeding it garbage and expecting anything but.
The majority of these problems look like whining or are self-perpetuating.
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08-26-2012, 03:47 PM
#1787
Senior Member
Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
Use better gas. Not "higher octane" gas or "boosters." Stop buying gas from an off branded station who buys the sludge from a tanker and sells it a cent cheaper than everywhere else. Find higher QUALITY fuel.
You bought a premium, highly-engineered machine. Stop feeding it garbage and expecting anything but.
The majority of these problems look like whining or are self-perpetuating.
You bought a premium, highly-engineered machine. Stop feeding it garbage and expecting anything but.
The majority of these problems look like whining or are self-perpetuating.
08-27-2012, 08:57 AM
#1788
Senior Member
Been keeping track of when this is happening to my truck. Happened 8/17/12 at 10:30 PM, 54 degrees, 50 degree dew point. Happened 8/21/12 7:15 AM, 51 degees, 49 degree dew point. Happened this morning, 7:15 AM, 56 degrees, 52 degree dew point.
Notice a pattern? Its gotta be something moisture related. I'm logging data every time it happens over the next few months before I bring it in again. Once the weather cools a little more, then it will really start happening. Gonna be too warm the rest of this week with highs near 90 and lows only getting into the 60's.
Notice a pattern? Its gotta be something moisture related. I'm logging data every time it happens over the next few months before I bring it in again. Once the weather cools a little more, then it will really start happening. Gonna be too warm the rest of this week with highs near 90 and lows only getting into the 60's.
08-27-2012, 09:43 AM
#1789
Are you absolutely sure about that sir?Whether it's symptom or cause, these engines are very sensitive to the fuel you put in them. THAT's IT. No IC condensation, no torque converter slippage, no spark gap errors, no drive-by-wire, no China-source problems, no-Ford is **** and is out to get me paranoia. If that's what you believe, you are beyond the help of this forum and FoMoCo.
The Ecoboost engine and other engines of it's design (GTDI, SI) are ahead of its time in terms of the infrastructure in place in North America. It's akin to releasing a hydrogen car that can also run on gasoline, although not very well.
Unfortunately North America has some of the ****tiest gas there is. Combine that with aging, neglected infrastructure in the U.S., you might as well run your Ecoboost truck on diesel.
Next time you go to pass someone or merge and your truck sputters, you might think twice about paying an extra couple of bucks per tank to keep your family safe. Once and only once is enough for me.
2011 FX4 Ecoboost 3.73 4X4 Petro-Can (Sunoco Site) 89-Octane Tactrol-Plus (WITH ETHANOL) Fuel Economy Returning from Avg. 15L - 18L/100km to 11 - 12L/100KM
08-27-2012, 09:57 AM
#1790
Senior Member
Are you absolutely sure about that sir?Whether it's symptom or cause, these engines are very sensitive to the fuel you put in them. THAT's IT. No IC condensation, no torque converter slippage, no spark gap errors, no drive-by-wire, no China-source problems, no-Ford is **** and is out to get me paranoia. If that's what you believe, you are beyond the help of this forum and FoMoCo.
The Ecoboost engine and other engines of it's design (GTDI, SI) are ahead of its time in terms of the infrastructure in place in North America. It's akin to releasing a hydrogen car that can also run on gasoline, although not very well.
Unfortunately North America has some of the ****tiest gas there is. Combine that with aging, neglected infrastructure in the U.S., you might as well run your Ecoboost truck on diesel.
Next time you go to pass someone or merge and your truck sputters, you might think twice about paying an extra couple of bucks per tank to keep your family safe. Once and only once is enough for me.
2011 FX4 Ecoboost 3.73 4X4 Petro-Can (Sunoco Site) 89-Octane Tactrol-Plus (WITH ETHANOL) Fuel Economy Returning from Avg. 15L - 18L/100km to 11 - 12L/100KM
Last edited by maplelakeduckslayer; 08-27-2012 at 10:01 AM. Reason: More info