Vwluca

I was suprised to hear this.

Friday went for my oil change and my dealer told me that they had a guy come in on monday with a terrible shudder and CEL. For the first time after seeing/reading the condensation problems in the IC on their OASIS system, they took it off and emptyied water. After re-installed and went for a drive with no more problems. Here is what suprised me , the mechanic told me that water gets sucked in the IC from the pipe that only has the clip on because it is not fully air/water tight. He never mentionned anything about the condensation caused by the ''too efficient'' IC. Also, he mentionned to me that he doubts that the water influences the MPG.

Service manager told me that we should see a fix within a month

Don't know what to think anymore !

Luc
Montreal, Canada

dcfluid

If the air in the intercooler is after the air filter I call shenanigans. The air intake system is air, dirt and water tight after the filter or we would all have ruined motors in short order. Been there, done that....

Vwluca

I've seen many saying there was a bad ground. Can someone actually point out precisely where it is. It would be interesting for those that are curious like me and just either make another one or tighten the existing one if it's loose as some said.

I saw a similar post not so long ago when I had my VW TDI concerning a bad ground. There was also pictures. I just made another ground and tha car has 312,000km and runs like new.

Thanks
Luc
Montreal, Canada

dcfluid

There is some 30 or 40 grounds. Welcome to electronics. Only a technician with instructions would be able to track this down, and don't forget about the numerous wiring harness connections thruout the vehicle.
Sorry to be a downer.

Longjt

Hopefully they'll get this resolved soon so we can move on to the tranny issue.....

tophog

I just returned from a 2,000 mile trip from Oregon to Moab, UT. I towed my Jeep TJ on a car trailer and experienced shudder several times throughout the trip. The shudder seemed to be the worst in 5th/6th while ascending grades. My wife and 14 yr old son even asked "what's that vibration?". However I never experienced the no power/fall-on-face power issue. Temps were 70-90 degrees the entire trip. Truck actually pulled very well and I am pleased with the power however the shudder is completely unsatisfactory and needs to be fixed. That said, my first tank of fuel was 87 octane and I averaged 9.5 mpg ...the remaining tanks were all super unleaded (91-92 octane) and mileage bumped up to about 11 mpg average. http://www.fuelly.com/driver/tophog/f150 It was a costly trip!!!

canon_mutant

Yup, still there too. This is almost certainly intercooler condensation. Shudder seems to be a range of possibilities.

medic75

This is the same "super secret" fix that I and others have been promised. It will be officially out in "early summer". They can't tell us what it is, but they are sure that it will solve all of our problems. Should be quite the fix considering we are seeing water in the intercooler and something completely different that causes a shudder under light load at low RPMs.

IMHO, there is only 1 fix. Lemon Law. Ford can take the truck back and when they fix it, I will happily buy another one (after my new Ram is worn out)

Riccochet

They're not going to fix it. They're going to redesign it for future models. That's their fix. For you to buy another truck that doesn't have the problem. What's it to Ford to lose 10k customers when next year they'll have 10k new customers. Lemon's don't cost Ford all that much. They basically buy the truck back from you, minus mileage, slap a new power train in it and resell it. And the lemon DOES NOT show up on a car fax. Ford loses very little.

The only way to hit them in the pocket for any kind of significant amount of money is a negative PR campaign, class action lawsuit and loss of sales. But, again, the only people that benefit from those types of actions are lawyers and marketing people. We, the consumer, wouldn't see a penny from a class action lawsuit. Well, maybe you'll get your $2.50 share of the settlement after the lawyers collect their 80%.

I lemoned my truck not to stick it to Ford, but to get a vehicle that works. And so far I have a new F150 that works. They're not all bad, so don't think you can't have an EB F150 without the issue.

Which makes me wonder about the whole condensation issue. If it's not every truck, how can it be a condensation issue? Has Ford pulled a head to look at the cylinders to see if the tops of the pistons look spotless from steam? That's the only way to be sure it's water entering the cylinder. And water is less viscous then oil. Surely some of it would bypass the rings and get in to the oil system. I see not one drop in my oil when doing changes. Never did on my 11 F150 that had major shuddering issues.

If it's not a programming issue, and condensation is not affecting every truck equally (all things being equal between trucks in terms of intercooler) then just what the F*** is the problem? Ford knows what the problem is. Will we ever know? I doubt it.

maplelakeduckslayer

Its much more cost effective to keep a current customer than to go out and get new ones...Fords marketing department knows all about that.


I took another 280 mile round trip to my cabin this weekend. Had an 800 lb four wheeler in the box.

The way up I was fighting a headwind and slightly cooler temps. Some of my driving was at 80 mph, lots at 65 mph. Got around 16 mpg. The way home yesterday there was a strong wind but it was not a direct headwind, more of a crosswind. 70 miles at 65 mph got me 20.2 mpg, another 70 miles at 75 mph and my ending reading for the trip was 19.1 mpg. Temps were in the upper 60's to mid 70's. Truck really seems to like temps over 70 degrees.

My truck did exhibit the shudder/misfire/whatever you want to call it while going up hills a few times, but it was once towards the top of the hill instead of the whole time going up it. I thought with the warmer temps it was completely gone, but I guess not. Not really that noticeable though unless you have the windows rolled up and the radio off.