maplelakeduckslayer

The thing I keep replaying in my head is its something major from the continual water consumption over the last 1.5 years and they don't want to pay to fix it.

If it is something as minor as spark plugs...its really disappointing Ford wouldn't at least try and do something with them. Whats their cost to put new plugs in, less than $100?

Gonna be talking to my sales guy as well when I go pick it up in an hour.

jayandsam09

I agree with you. I worried about the collateral damage of many of the other parts in the truck.

Riccochet

Here's how it works.

1. they find out what's wrong
2. they find out how many vehicles are affected
3. they estimate how much it will cost to repair
4. they estimate how much it will cost them to ignore it (via buybacks, lemons)

Then they have two options, repair or not. Whichever is cheaper is what they do. Now, the total loss of power they have to do something about since that's a safety issue. The shudder, I'm sure they know what's causing it but it's too costly to fix so they don't give a fuque.

jayandsam09

If they don't know after three production cycles of this engine, EVERY engineer in the company that has been tasked with this project should resign

Riccochet

Oh they know. And the answer has already been released. It's the 8 speed they'll be dropping in the 2014.

benelli

Not a bit! It just lightened my wallet some.

jayandsam09

That's what I figured....

maplelakeduckslayer

Got them switched out this morning. Drivers side coils were a bear, they wouldn't pop out. Drives side definitely had more soot. I didn't spend a lot of time checking gaps of the factory plugs but they all seemed to be .038-.042. New ones put in at .032 in anticipation of getting a tune soon.I'll post pics when I'm not on my phone. Too early to tell much only have a few miles on them but truck seems to accelerate a little smoother.

bryan8252

Why would an 8 speed be better? I hate the 6 speed in my 5.0. I use the manual shifting a lot to keep the truck from going into 6th because it seems like the truck can't wait to get into 6th gear. And unless I'm cruising on an interstate I hate 6th gear. Truck seems to lack power.

Riccochet

Because they took a 4R70 case, shrunk the internals, jammed 6 gears worth of crap in it and called it a 6R80. Same TC between the two. My opinion is the TC likes it's torque at higher RPM's and is locking/unlocking at the lower RPM / high torque created by the ecoboost. Hence why they are de-tuning our engines in hopes of dropping some of the low RPM torque load. But they still can't come up with a trans shift mapping that will give us our economy and power that we paid for. So, they're scratching their heads and thinking "well, we can just keep clearing the KAM and doing subtle changes, ala bandaids, to keep the EPA and customers off our backs until warranties start to expire".

Now, I know some with the 5.0 are having this issue as well. But, I think they are experiencing a similar sensation caused by a different problem. Riding in a friends 5.0 F150 I can tell you the shudders feel different.

Other platforms use the 6R80 and don't have issues. Those platforms also don't produce the amount of torque the Ecoboost does at such low RPM's. This is my theory. I've said it before and I'm sticking with it.