2011+ 55-60mph 5.0 Shuddering and EcoBoost Engine Miss/Loss of Power - Possible Fixes
08-29-2012, 07:38 AM
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He did mention that Ford has gotten much more difficult to deal with nowadays. It seems they are pushing back on this Ecoboost issue, but alas they can't ignore reality and are having to buy the trucks back.
So as of tomorrow, I'll be without my Ford...
08-29-2012, 10:58 AM
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Well if it takes six months for LL to happen, that's going to be a problem. I ordered a new vehicle due in the end of October because I don't trust this truck and its mileage went to crap so its too expensive to drive. I had hoped to use the proceeds from the LL to fund the new vehicle when it arrives and thought and thought 2 1/2 months would be long enough. Guess I better have a back up plan, huh?
As far as the whole gas sensitivity thing, since I lost 4-5mpg warm weather, 5-6mpg cold, I have used every gasoline in a 5 state area and I have NEVER gotten gas that will cure shudder or falling on its face. And, gas-gas as opposed to ethanol blend did not have any impact on my loss of mileage either. At least one form of shudder [I still think there are several] and falling on its face are absolutely related to temperature and humidity.
As I said in a previous post, not having problems during a couple of Kansas heat showers made me think my truck had improved until we went to Colorado where it was "both cool and damp". Almost died . . .
Whether crappy mileage, shudder, rough idle, or falling on its face, I do not understand what it is that makes certain people feel the need to jump into these threads and explain to us why we are all whining morons that don't know how to drive or are now just running crappy gas.
There's certainly nothing wrong with Ford . . . yeah right, I'll keep that in mind as my $40K truck continues to collect dust in the garage while my LL case progresses. No, there's nothing wrong with Ford.
As far as the whole gas sensitivity thing, since I lost 4-5mpg warm weather, 5-6mpg cold, I have used every gasoline in a 5 state area and I have NEVER gotten gas that will cure shudder or falling on its face. And, gas-gas as opposed to ethanol blend did not have any impact on my loss of mileage either. At least one form of shudder [I still think there are several] and falling on its face are absolutely related to temperature and humidity.
As I said in a previous post, not having problems during a couple of Kansas heat showers made me think my truck had improved until we went to Colorado where it was "both cool and damp". Almost died . . .
Whether crappy mileage, shudder, rough idle, or falling on its face, I do not understand what it is that makes certain people feel the need to jump into these threads and explain to us why we are all whining morons that don't know how to drive or are now just running crappy gas.
There's certainly nothing wrong with Ford . . . yeah right, I'll keep that in mind as my $40K truck continues to collect dust in the garage while my LL case progresses. No, there's nothing wrong with Ford.
08-29-2012, 11:22 AM
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Whether crappy mileage, shudder, rough idle, or falling on its face, I do not understand what it is that makes certain people feel the need to jump into these threads and explain to us why we are all whining morons that don't know how to drive or are now just running crappy gas.
For the people I describe above. Would you honestly feel comfortable giving your own recommendation to someone who lives in a humid area and does mostly hwy driving the same response? You wouldn't feel inclined to possibly let the person know of a common issue that may not be affecting you, but many are experiencing it? Sorry, but I take a sense of responsibility in giving people an honest response.
I feel for the guys currently waiting on a fix, or getting the run around with buybacks/lemon dealings. I can say I'm happy I made the decision to dump the truck when I did and take the $3700 loss. The time, money and having to deal with the inability to fix the issue is a frustrating experience, especially when you're looking at the gas gauge and KNOW this isnt the same vehicle that drove off the lot.
I was the biggest supporter of the Eco for the first 4-5 months of ownership. This thing was great mileage wise, never downshifted under load, and performed amazingly. Then it "broke" as you describe, Canon. My Trip B went from 19.2 after thousands of miles, to 17 by the time I traded it in. This means I was in the 15 range for the longest time doing the exactly same driving. So I did see ~4MPG drop compared to when it was NEW. Weren't these things supposed to "break-in"? Anyways, I feel like I owe it to people to inform them of the possible issues, especially after having a friend buy one based on my recommendation. Fortunately, he doesn't take many hwy trips with his and just goes around town giving the gas hell all the time, so he hasn't experienced the issue. He averages about 14-15mpg, and thats good for his driving.
08-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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So...temp was 66 degrees on the way to work this morning with a 64 degree dew point, no miss/shudder. I didn't expect it to happen as it only seems to happen when air temp is mid 50's or less. Anybody feel this could be more of a sensor issue when the temps fall to a certain level? Some of the 6.4 powerstroke guys having the miss issue had their MAF sensors cleaned when the new intercoolers failed to fix the issues. Or condensation forms more readily at a cooler temp? I guess I researched it does as the molecules are moving slower giving them a greater chance of sticking together.
I'm going to continue keeping a weather log, I have an Excel spreadsheet made, and mark whether it does or does not shudder at certain conditions to provide Ford with when I end up taking it in again. Weather here is going to be hot the next several days, with highs in the 90's and lows only around 70, so the miss should be non-existent. But next week the weather is supposed to break again with highs in the low 70's and lows in the low to mid 50's, so I should be able to get it to miss again next week.
I'm really hoping to get enough info put together, and have the weather cooperate enough so the dealer can replicate and take my vehicle for a week at the end of September while I'm in Nashville on business.
Plain and simple, this is a hassle, especially when hunting season is about to start and my vehicle is used for work. If anybody else can actively compile information pertaining to this, I think it would be beneficial to both you and others trying to get this issue resolved. I will keep posting my findings to try and help out others, I really want this resolved as I am kind of scared of the long term effects on the engine.
When it cools again I may attempt to pull the I/C after I drive to work after it misses and see if there is any moisture in there or not.
I'm going to continue keeping a weather log, I have an Excel spreadsheet made, and mark whether it does or does not shudder at certain conditions to provide Ford with when I end up taking it in again. Weather here is going to be hot the next several days, with highs in the 90's and lows only around 70, so the miss should be non-existent. But next week the weather is supposed to break again with highs in the low 70's and lows in the low to mid 50's, so I should be able to get it to miss again next week.
I'm really hoping to get enough info put together, and have the weather cooperate enough so the dealer can replicate and take my vehicle for a week at the end of September while I'm in Nashville on business.
Plain and simple, this is a hassle, especially when hunting season is about to start and my vehicle is used for work. If anybody else can actively compile information pertaining to this, I think it would be beneficial to both you and others trying to get this issue resolved. I will keep posting my findings to try and help out others, I really want this resolved as I am kind of scared of the long term effects on the engine.
When it cools again I may attempt to pull the I/C after I drive to work after it misses and see if there is any moisture in there or not.
08-29-2012, 12:00 PM
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+1. Someone asks in a thread "Are the Eco's still having shuddering issues", then theres 5 replies "Mine is perfect, xxxx miles, runs like a top". Why not just say, "Yes there is a known issue that seems to be dependant on weather/driving conditions, but mine has run fine, so I'm not really able to add much to the conversation." If you haven't personally experienced the issue, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
For the people I describe above. Would you honestly feel comfortable giving your own recommendation to someone who lives in a humid area and does mostly hwy driving the same response? You wouldn't feel inclined to possibly let the person know of a common issue that may not be affecting you, but many are experiencing it? Sorry, but I take a sense of responsibility in giving people an honest response.
I feel for the guys currently waiting on a fix, or getting the run around with buybacks/lemon dealings. I can say I'm happy I made the decision to dump the truck when I did and take the $3700 loss. The time, money and having to deal with the inability to fix the issue is a frustrating experience, especially when you're looking at the gas gauge and KNOW this isnt the same vehicle that drove off the lot.
I was the biggest supporter of the Eco for the first 4-5 months of ownership. This thing was great mileage wise, never downshifted under load, and performed amazingly. Then it "broke" as you describe, Canon. My Trip B went from 19.2 after thousands of miles, to 17 by the time I traded it in. This means I was in the 15 range for the longest time doing the exactly same driving. So I did see ~4MPG drop compared to when it was NEW. Weren't these things supposed to "break-in"? Anyways, I feel like I owe it to people to inform them of the possible issues, especially after having a friend buy one based on my recommendation. Fortunately, he doesn't take many hwy trips with his and just goes around town giving the gas hell all the time, so he hasn't experienced the issue. He averages about 14-15mpg, and thats good for his driving.
For the people I describe above. Would you honestly feel comfortable giving your own recommendation to someone who lives in a humid area and does mostly hwy driving the same response? You wouldn't feel inclined to possibly let the person know of a common issue that may not be affecting you, but many are experiencing it? Sorry, but I take a sense of responsibility in giving people an honest response.
I feel for the guys currently waiting on a fix, or getting the run around with buybacks/lemon dealings. I can say I'm happy I made the decision to dump the truck when I did and take the $3700 loss. The time, money and having to deal with the inability to fix the issue is a frustrating experience, especially when you're looking at the gas gauge and KNOW this isnt the same vehicle that drove off the lot.
I was the biggest supporter of the Eco for the first 4-5 months of ownership. This thing was great mileage wise, never downshifted under load, and performed amazingly. Then it "broke" as you describe, Canon. My Trip B went from 19.2 after thousands of miles, to 17 by the time I traded it in. This means I was in the 15 range for the longest time doing the exactly same driving. So I did see ~4MPG drop compared to when it was NEW. Weren't these things supposed to "break-in"? Anyways, I feel like I owe it to people to inform them of the possible issues, especially after having a friend buy one based on my recommendation. Fortunately, he doesn't take many hwy trips with his and just goes around town giving the gas hell all the time, so he hasn't experienced the issue. He averages about 14-15mpg, and thats good for his driving.
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08-29-2012, 01:44 PM
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08-29-2012, 02:16 PM
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As you can see, I am new on here. I have been considering purchasing an F150 for a long time. I found out about the problems with the Eco-boost on another site I belong to and was directed to this forum.
After reading all this, there is no way I would buy and Eco-boost (new or used). Of course, when I go to the dealership to talk, they are pushing these trucks over the regular F150's. I mention the problems and they all "act" surprised but they know they are trying to sell a bad truck. Being that the dealership is stuck in the middle of this mess you would think they would just quit ordering these trucks from Ford.
Is Ford having these problems with the 5.0? If they are, I will move to another manufacturer over having to deal with all this!
On another note...I see where some members on here are talking about the sputtering during heavy rains. I have a 2000 E150 with a 5.4 that does this. Is anyone aware of fixes to this problem? The dealer just wants me to bring it in but if the problem is not occurring when they have it, what good is that?! It only happens during really heavy rain, a condition they cannot simulate in their work area. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Vic
After reading all this, there is no way I would buy and Eco-boost (new or used). Of course, when I go to the dealership to talk, they are pushing these trucks over the regular F150's. I mention the problems and they all "act" surprised but they know they are trying to sell a bad truck. Being that the dealership is stuck in the middle of this mess you would think they would just quit ordering these trucks from Ford.
Is Ford having these problems with the 5.0? If they are, I will move to another manufacturer over having to deal with all this!
On another note...I see where some members on here are talking about the sputtering during heavy rains. I have a 2000 E150 with a 5.4 that does this. Is anyone aware of fixes to this problem? The dealer just wants me to bring it in but if the problem is not occurring when they have it, what good is that?! It only happens during really heavy rain, a condition they cannot simulate in their work area. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Vic
08-29-2012, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pir^2h
As you can see, I am new on here. I have been considering purchasing an F150 for a long time. I found out about the problems with the Eco-boost on another site I belong to and was directed to this forum.
After reading all this, there is no way I would buy and Eco-boost (new or used). Of course, when I go to the dealership to talk, they are pushing these trucks over the regular F150's. I mention the problems and they all "act" surprised but they know they are trying to sell a bad truck. Being that the dealership is stuck in the middle of this mess you would think they would just quit ordering these trucks from Ford.
Is Ford having these problems with the 5.0? If they are, I will move to another manufacturer over having to deal with all this!
On another note...I see where some members on here are talking about the sputtering during heavy rains. I have a 2000 E150 with a 5.4 that does this. Is anyone aware of fixes to this problem? The dealer just wants me to bring it in but if the problem is not occurring when they have it, what good is that?! It only happens during really heavy rain, a condition they cannot simulate in their work area. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Vic
After reading all this, there is no way I would buy and Eco-boost (new or used). Of course, when I go to the dealership to talk, they are pushing these trucks over the regular F150's. I mention the problems and they all "act" surprised but they know they are trying to sell a bad truck. Being that the dealership is stuck in the middle of this mess you would think they would just quit ordering these trucks from Ford.
Is Ford having these problems with the 5.0? If they are, I will move to another manufacturer over having to deal with all this!
On another note...I see where some members on here are talking about the sputtering during heavy rains. I have a 2000 E150 with a 5.4 that does this. Is anyone aware of fixes to this problem? The dealer just wants me to bring it in but if the problem is not occurring when they have it, what good is that?! It only happens during really heavy rain, a condition they cannot simulate in their work area. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Vic
08-29-2012, 06:00 PM
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Basically, I have compiled the data. I can predict without fail when my truck will do this, 100% of the time.
Since the TSB 12-6-4 was completed on my truck the climate has not been such for it to happen. The hurricane has made SE Texas “Dry” for now. The Dew Point has been running about 20 degrees less than air temps for now. And my current short trip driving has been OK and the MPGs are very good too.
In my truck, water will be created in the IC with DP/Temp of 78/78 all the way down to 27/27 and the truck acts the same way – it falls apart. Those are the two extremes in DP/Temp and it can any set of temps in between. Any time the temps get up to 90-115 the dew point has not followed when I have been driving so it has not happened at the much higher temperatures for me. For example, there have been a few times with a dew point of 80 and the air at 100, and my truck ran just fine. Now there have been some times in Dallas with temps above 115 for a few hours and the engine would lose a little power, but that was because it wanted a little more octane as described in the manual………….not because of water in the IC.
Once I do get back into a dew point to temp of 1/1 or close to it, and IF the truck does it again………….I will NOT be keeping it. And if I go the route to get rid of the truck, I have not decided to stay with Ford.............that question is still up in the air.
Basically, I have compiled the data. I can predict without fail when my truck will do this, 100% of the time.
Since the TSB 12-6-4 was completed on my truck the climate has not been such for it to happen. The hurricane has made SE Texas “Dry” for now. The Dew Point has been running about 20 degrees less than air temps for now. And my current short trip driving has been OK and the MPGs are very good too.
In my truck, water will be created in the IC with DP/Temp of 78/78 all the way down to 27/27 and the truck acts the same way – it falls apart. Those are the two extremes in DP/Temp and it can any set of temps in between. Any time the temps get up to 90-115 the dew point has not followed when I have been driving so it has not happened at the much higher temperatures for me. For example, there have been a few times with a dew point of 80 and the air at 100, and my truck ran just fine. Now there have been some times in Dallas with temps above 115 for a few hours and the engine would lose a little power, but that was because it wanted a little more octane as described in the manual………….not because of water in the IC.
Once I do get back into a dew point to temp of 1/1 or close to it, and IF the truck does it again………….I will NOT be keeping it. And if I go the route to get rid of the truck, I have not decided to stay with Ford.............that question is still up in the air.