Tires: Tall/Skinny vs. Tall&wide?
#21
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And they don't have to be THAT skinny. An 8-10" wide tire that is 32-33" tall is really a better option for most of us than the 11-12" wide tires that are so popular.
Those really wide tires became popular in western states for driving in desert sand and rock crawling. If you drive in those conditions that is the tire for you. But other than driving on sandy beaches most drivers would really be better served by a tall skinny tire for the more common off road driving. But it has become "fashionable" to have the wide tires.
#22
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Even factory tires aren't all that wide on lower trim f150 and f250. My truck came with p235/75r17. I put on load E lt235/80r17.
f250 comes with lt245/75r17 in xl trim and on xlt and xl 150s that is the first and cheapest lt tire option.
Now those are 30.5-31.5" tall tires so not that tall for full size trucks, but smaller jeeps and tacomas and 4runners can get away with that.
f250 comes with lt245/75r17 in xl trim and on xlt and xl 150s that is the first and cheapest lt tire option.
Now those are 30.5-31.5" tall tires so not that tall for full size trucks, but smaller jeeps and tacomas and 4runners can get away with that.
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#23
This is a great topic, I'm looking to upgrade my tires and have been thinking about our old f250 and how I could cut through the wet fields with its tall skinny tires.
Its difficult to find selection in those tall skinny sizes.
I'd like to see a 255 75 18 on my 2012 screw XTR. I'd be unstoppable around the farm
Its difficult to find selection in those tall skinny sizes.
I'd like to see a 255 75 18 on my 2012 screw XTR. I'd be unstoppable around the farm
#24
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Skinny is still best in mud. But wider tires distribute the weight better on todays heavier vehicles, ride better, and provide for more payload than skinny bicycle type tires. Not many roads like in the video now, but most guys with 4X4's running 12" wide tires couldn't go where the 4X2 car went with the skinny tires. I've seen a lot of farmers and pulp wood operators go through stuff like that every day with old 3/4 ton trucks running 7.50/16 mud tires while the young kids with their 12.50/33/15's were stranded trying to keep up.
And they don't have to be THAT skinny. An 8-10" wide tire that is 32-33" tall is really a better option for most of us than the 11-12" wide tires that are so popular.
Those really wide tires became popular in western states for driving in desert sand and rock crawling. If you drive in those conditions that is the tire for you. But other than driving on sandy beaches most drivers would really be better served by a tall skinny tire for the more common off road driving. But it has become "fashionable" to have the wide tires.
And they don't have to be THAT skinny. An 8-10" wide tire that is 32-33" tall is really a better option for most of us than the 11-12" wide tires that are so popular.
Those really wide tires became popular in western states for driving in desert sand and rock crawling. If you drive in those conditions that is the tire for you. But other than driving on sandy beaches most drivers would really be better served by a tall skinny tire for the more common off road driving. But it has become "fashionable" to have the wide tires.
Meaning that for a DD or weekend warrior 95% of the driving would be best served by a skinnier tire.
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And they don't have to be THAT skinny. An 8-10" wide tire that is 32-33" tall is really a better option for most of us than the 11-12" wide tires that are so popular.
Those really wide tires became popular in western states for driving in desert sand and rock crawling. If you drive in those conditions that is the tire for you. But other than driving on sandy beaches most drivers would really be better served by a tall skinny tire for the more common off road driving. But it has become "fashionable" to have the wide tires.
And they don't have to be THAT skinny. An 8-10" wide tire that is 32-33" tall is really a better option for most of us than the 11-12" wide tires that are so popular.
Those really wide tires became popular in western states for driving in desert sand and rock crawling. If you drive in those conditions that is the tire for you. But other than driving on sandy beaches most drivers would really be better served by a tall skinny tire for the more common off road driving. But it has become "fashionable" to have the wide tires.
This is my farm truck-style setup. 8" tread width. 8" wide wheel. Works in damp conditions with surface mud because the tire won't hydroplane; it cuts through to clay.
It's my daily driver street truck and weekend Forest Service roads transportation. If I need to travel in sandy conditions, I can always air down.
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Here is one of the Articles on the Skinny tire argument.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/resea...tion_rev1.html
Reading through it again I'm a little more worried that a skinny tire wouldn't work well on the highway which is where it spend >half its life.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/resea...tion_rev1.html
Reading through it again I'm a little more worried that a skinny tire wouldn't work well on the highway which is where it spend >half its life.
Sure, if you want a pavement setup canyon-road burner. Then you'd consider lowering the truck, fitting larger swaybars, excellent dampers, etc... Otherwise...
An 8" (+/-) wide tire on the road will offer less rolling and aerodynamic resistance than a 10" or 12"-wide tire, improving mpg. And an 8" wide tire is still wider than the 7.5" OE fitment.
From the above-linked paper:
...an off-highway vehicle operates in [an] environment with minimally tactile surfaces. Rocks, dirt ledges, dusty boulders, highly irregular surfaces, sandy washes, etc. occupy the fourwheeler's environment. Surfaces that do not provide high adhesion rates or momentary bonding. However, these surfaces are highly irregular, which does provide the opportunity to take advantage of mechanical keying and deformation.
These traction elements require high contact pressure, coupled with low air pressure to get the tire to flex with the terrain. A wide tire distributes the vehicles weight over too large of a surface, preventing deformation from occurring at the same rate as a narrow tire with the same pressure (force). A narrow tire will hold better than a wide one by keying to the surface aggregate due to the greater vertical force.
These traction elements require high contact pressure, coupled with low air pressure to get the tire to flex with the terrain. A wide tire distributes the vehicles weight over too large of a surface, preventing deformation from occurring at the same rate as a narrow tire with the same pressure (force). A narrow tire will hold better than a wide one by keying to the surface aggregate due to the greater vertical force.
#27
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Years ago I had a set of Dick Cepek Mud Country's that were 9x35" with a very aggressive tread. They were the craziest mud and snow tires I ever experienced. Of course the tread life on pavement was dismal to say the least, but they were unstoppable.
#28
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Wide tires are typically used for snow and sand, skinny for everything else.
It's all relative though, if you are only running in 4" of snow, then wider tires will be of no benefit. Conversely, driving in through mud puddles doesn't require tractor tires.
For the VAST majority of folks, a decent all terrain is more than enough.
It's all relative though, if you are only running in 4" of snow, then wider tires will be of no benefit. Conversely, driving in through mud puddles doesn't require tractor tires.
For the VAST majority of folks, a decent all terrain is more than enough.
#29
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For my 2016 XLT (factory set up is 18" wheel with 275/65/18), I would like to put the American Racing Outlaw II wheels on, plus a highway tire that overall match the circumference of the factory so no significant speedometer re-calibration issues. Now, this Outlaw II has a more aggressive offset (it will stick out more), so anyone with experience if it'd rub when I turn? I'm not lifting the truck. Thanks!
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I don't think it will rub. See my photo in Post #25 for a similar approach to the one you wish to take. Tire/frame interference usually starts with 35" overall diameters and wide tires. I went from a 30.6" to a 31.7" tire in the pic with a still-narrow wheel (8") but with a different offset from stock as you can see.
You may also ask your question in the 2015 - newer subforum.
You may also ask your question in the 2015 - newer subforum.