Recovery rope, winch line and straps
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Yes, you're wrong. The most-common type of patent is a "utility" patent, which means the USE of something (what job it accomplishes) is protected. That means that ANY "soft shackle" could infringe on such a patent, if the patent was issued to cover (for example) "any flexible and/or less-dense-than-water means of joining loops without the need for tools". I haven't actually read the patent for the GatorJaw, but I have read several patents worded like that example.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
Either way, I think (and I'm not a patent attorney or clerk) the one in the photo above infringes on the GatorJaw.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
Either way, I think (and I'm not a patent attorney or clerk) the one in the photo above infringes on the GatorJaw.
Last edited by Steve83; 02-20-2018 at 12:14 PM.
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If you could offer a soft shackle with and anti-abrasion cover that would work for not-exactly-soft-shackle-friendly attachment points, that would be awesome. The biggest issue I've run into with my current recovery gear setup is that a lot of vehicles don't have attachment points suitable for a full-sized bow shackle (i.e. can't fit the shackle in), while also not having soft-shackle-friendly edges on said attachment points. I've been using an axle strap in a lot of cases, but it's only rated for a 3.3k-pound working load, so pulling smaller vehicles out of the ditch is one thing, but it gets questionable with minivans and mid-size SUVs.
(full-size trucks seem to have structural attachment points that will fit a 3/4" bow shackle more often than not)
(full-size trucks seem to have structural attachment points that will fit a 3/4" bow shackle more often than not)
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Yes, you're wrong. The most-common type of patent is a "utility" patent, which means the USE of something (what job it accomplishes) is protected. That means that ANY "soft shackle" could infringe on such a patent, if the patent was issued to cover (for example) "any flexible and/or less-dense-than-water means of joining loops without the need for tools". I haven't actually read the patent for the GatorJaw, but I have read several patents worded like that example.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
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Yes, you're wrong. The most-common type of patent is a "utility" patent, which means the USE of something (what job it accomplishes) is protected. That means that ANY "soft shackle" could infringe on such a patent, if the patent was issued to cover (for example) "any flexible and/or less-dense-than-water means of joining loops without the need for tools". I haven't actually read the patent for the GatorJaw, but I have read several patents worded like that example.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
Either way, I think (and I'm not a patent attorney or clerk) the one in the photo above infringes on the GatorJaw.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
Either way, I think (and I'm not a patent attorney or clerk) the one in the photo above infringes on the GatorJaw.
(and none of the listings I saw mention being patented or patent-pending).
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Yes, you're wrong. The most-common type of patent is a "utility" patent, which means the USE of something (what job it accomplishes) is protected. That means that ANY "soft shackle" could infringe on such a patent, if the patent was issued to cover (for example) "any flexible and/or less-dense-than-water means of joining loops without the need for tools". I haven't actually read the patent for the GatorJaw, but I have read several patents worded like that example.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
Either way, I think (and I'm not a patent attorney or clerk) the one in the photo above infringes on the GatorJaw.
What you're describing is a "design" patent, which protects the specific shape, color, and style of something (like automotive radiator grilles, millstones, or web logos). Those are less-common, and easier to avoid infringing because they're so specific.
Either way, I think (and I'm not a patent attorney or clerk) the one in the photo above infringes on the GatorJaw.
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Given the Amazon search results for 'soft shackle', I don't think there's a broad "soft shackle" patent in play.
So again: NOT an indicator of IP protection.
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Is that a lego Donald duck?
Other than that, this was a cool thread to read. Good to see someone trying to get in business for themselves
Other than that, this was a cool thread to read. Good to see someone trying to get in business for themselves
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This is also an improved shackle style that is supposed to be 230% improve over line strength I made earlier from scrap line in the warehouse