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Old 01-26-2011, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigIrish

Depends on how worn the limit slip is, but even new they aren't perfect.

Some clarifications:

H9 axle code is the same as mine, it means 3.55 ration limited slip. It doesn't say anything about which axle housing it is. If it has the 5.4L like mine, its the 9.75" housing. V6 and some 4.6L are 8.8. Ford hasn't put 9" rear ends into new vehicles for quite some time.

Limited slip differentials (posi-trak being the GM brand name for it) don't send power to the wheel with the most traction like someone said above. The factory limited slip works by using spring pressure and clutch packs to establish a minimum torque threshold between the rear tires before it will let one tire spin relative to the other. If both tires are on similar traction surfaces, both will spin if pushed past the limit of adhesion (this is how you get nice two wheel burn outs). If one side is on a slick surface (ice) and the other is grippy (asphalt) and this traction difference causes a high enough torque difference, the wheel on the slick surface with the least traction will spin by itself. While this is happening, you are rapidly wearing out the clutch packs in the differential, so don't keep your foot planted, let off and try agian with less loud pedal.

Limited slips, like all differentials (excluding spools), have to allow the rear wheels to rotate at different speeds when turning corners. If they don't, one tire will hop and screetch around the corner while causing driveline bind on pavement. The spring pressure and clutch type determine the torque threshold mentioned above and how easily the truck turns corners. Because the factory designs the truck to be driven mostly on the street, so this threshold is realtively low. This means off-road where you are likely to encounter different traction side to side on the truck the factory limited slip will give up and let one wheel spin fairly easily, but no where near as easily as the "zero" torque difference of an open differential. Aftermarket LSDs use stronger springs and "grippier" clutches to raise the torque threshold and provide better off road performance at the possible expense of increased turning effort.

This is different then lockers which physically lock the rear wheels together. Automatic lockers (like the detroit true track) use some mechanism to sense the torque difference between the wheels, unlock at the appropriate threshold and allow differential action, such as when going around a corner. The Detroit Locker uses a "ratchet" mechanism with a spring and ramped locking teeth for this. Selectable lockers (like the ARB air locker) operate in the opposite way. They remain unlocked and act like an open differential until the driver locks them in. At this point both wheels turn at the same speed and are given the same torque, just like a spool. Spools are always locked and always send the same torque to each wheel but won't let them rotate at different speeds. They are for off-road or drag strip use only.

Notice none of these systems can "sense" which tire has more traction and send it more torque. For that you either need an electronic, ABS driven traction control system which brakes the spinning tire, forcing torque over to the other one, or possibly a torsen gear style differential. Don't ask me how those work, its been a while sense I studied them.

For your situation, go slow and if you notice you are lighting up one wheel a lot, consider switching to an after market LSD.
If you have an LSD (b6) and add a locker such as arb or elocker will you lose ur LSD or do u get both?
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^^ you'll replace the lsd for the e locker.
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ill take your LSD hahaha
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Originally Posted by Old_Skl_Raptr
ill take your LSD hahaha
Lol.
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Originally Posted by BigIrish
Depends on how worn the limit slip is, but even new they aren't perfect.

Some clarifications:

H9 axle code is the same as mine, it means 3.55 ration limited slip. It doesn't say anything about which axle housing it is. If it has the 5.4L like mine, its the 9.75" housing. V6 and some 4.6L are 8.8. Ford hasn't put 9" rear ends into new vehicles for quite some time.

Limited slip differentials (posi-trak being the GM brand name for it) don't send power to the wheel with the most traction like someone said above. The factory limited slip works by using spring pressure and clutch packs to establish a minimum torque threshold between the rear tires before it will let one tire spin relative to the other. If both tires are on similar traction surfaces, both will spin if pushed past the limit of adhesion (this is how you get nice two wheel burn outs). If one side is on a slick surface (ice) and the other is grippy (asphalt) and this traction difference causes a high enough torque difference, the wheel on the slick surface with the least traction will spin by itself. While this is happening, you are rapidly wearing out the clutch packs in the differential, so don't keep your foot planted, let off and try agian with less loud pedal.

Limited slips, like all differentials (excluding spools), have to allow the rear wheels to rotate at different speeds when turning corners. If they don't, one tire will hop and screetch around the corner while causing driveline bind on pavement. The spring pressure and clutch type determine the torque threshold mentioned above and how easily the truck turns corners. Because the factory designs the truck to be driven mostly on the street, so this threshold is realtively low. This means off-road where you are likely to encounter different traction side to side on the truck the factory limited slip will give up and let one wheel spin fairly easily, but no where near as easily as the "zero" torque difference of an open differential. Aftermarket LSDs use stronger springs and "grippier" clutches to raise the torque threshold and provide better off road performance at the possible expense of increased turning effort.

This is different then lockers which physically lock the rear wheels together. Automatic lockers (like the detroit true track) use some mechanism to sense the torque difference between the wheels, unlock at the appropriate threshold and allow differential action, such as when going around a corner. The Detroit Locker uses a "ratchet" mechanism with a spring and ramped locking teeth for this. Selectable lockers (like the ARB air locker) operate in the opposite way. They remain unlocked and act like an open differential until the driver locks them in. At this point both wheels turn at the same speed and are given the same torque, just like a spool. Spools are always locked and always send the same torque to each wheel but won't let them rotate at different speeds. They are for off-road or drag strip use only.

Notice none of these systems can "sense" which tire has more traction and send it more torque. For that you either need an electronic, ABS driven traction control system which brakes the spinning tire, forcing torque over to the other one, or possibly a torsen gear style differential. Don't ask me how those work, its been a while sense I studied them.

For your situation, go slow and if you notice you are lighting up one wheel a lot, consider switching to an after market LSD.
Good info. Thx.
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Originally Posted by notredame2191
welcome to 2wd haha. get a good set of tires and dont stop in the middle of mud... try to go into it at a little higher rate of speed, but nothing too crazy. You just need momentum, thats pretty much how ive done it with my truck for 6 years. As for the limited slip, if you have an H9 axel code like me then it has an LS with it. Im not to sure about how well yours it working by this point, but im pretty sure mine is probably shot by now and I have a '99
Yeah. Learned to drive in the northeast, so I'm used to ice and snow and other slippery surfaces. I work it the same as u.
113K - not so sure it's working here either.
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Hey guys, I'm new here, but last year I put on a Detriot True Trac Limited slip in my truck. I think it was around $400 and had someone install it (it's a handful). It is all gear driven so nothing to go bad inside it.

Wow man, what a difference. In the snow it's a tank (with new all season tires), drives like a 4 wheeler because you can spin the back tires and kick it around. I do this often to get good at knowing it's limits. It has made driving in the snow lot's of fun, I actually try and get it stuck. Had a guy come over my house and after watching me go up our hill in the ice asked if I had 4WD.

Now in the mud it's not great, but I think that's mostly because of my tires. They slick over with mud and spin. In the thick mud and off-road situations it has gone from pathetic to decent. I can't pull anyone out with it, but now I don't get stuck. I also bought a pair of heavy tire chains with v bars I keep in the truck for bad mud, only had to use it once but got me out without a tow.

So all-in-all it's a pretty expensive upgrade, but cheaper than selling my truck to get 4wd. It is definately necessary on the 2wd trucks,
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Oh yeah, one more thing. I noticed after I put it on my gas milage went down a decent ammount9 3 or 4 mpg), but recently I have had some running rich problems that could have been around longer.
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my 05 limited slip is extremely strong then because. rarely is it one wheel wonder except when turning right at a good clip. but off road its always locked in. for instance i was in a snow bank at the school parking lot hung up only my left wheel was on pavement. to my surprise it was actually locked in with both tires spinning. this was the only reason i got out and saved myself an embarrasing pull out at school. it also will hop occasionally. like when parking.
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My LS is starting to go now too.

Any advice on what to replace it with? I already have 4.56 gears that I don't want to part with on my 03.

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