Best 2WD rear diff for mud?
#11
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I don't if it's true, but I've heard that the switch from LS to E-locker was related to the traction control systems. Supposedly they don't work as well together or something like that. I know the newer JKs are similar in that the electronics don't play well with full time lockers, so selectables have become very popular.
In my opinion (worth every penny you paid) the e-lock was more of a marketing ploy. Toyota has offered it for over 15 yrs. Oh well, first world problems I suppose.
Last edited by PerryB; 12-23-2018 at 02:35 PM.
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skl1 (01-03-2019)
#12
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"the" common helical means the type of helical that you would be most likely to find. Not that it is most common of all of the possible diffs.
Eaton's page is one of the best starting points, I think. They don't even try to tell you which is best. Just how they all work. I think that their Suretrac is the same design as the Ford Traction-Lok,using the gear tooth ramp to drive the clutches together. (Edit - actually their Suretrac uses the ramped shaft, added a picture below. Ford's uses the ramp of the gear teeth.) I don't know if their helical has the "lifted wheel" problem or not either.
Read the first Eaton page and you'll see how many different types of differential there are. Each has a weakness.
http://www.eaton.in/Eaton/ProductsSe...ials/index.htm
http://www.eaton.in/Eaton/ProductsSe...trac/index.htm
http://www.eaton.in/Eaton/ProductsSe...trac/index.htm
A couple of threads about "unloaded helicals".
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo.../104048/page1/
Here's one that seem pretty objective, informed, and doesn't seem to be selling anything.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/eng...table-for-you/
There's a lot of engineering in those pumpkins.
edit - Suretrac is not like Traction-Lok.
Eaton's page is one of the best starting points, I think. They don't even try to tell you which is best. Just how they all work. I think that their Suretrac is the same design as the Ford Traction-Lok,using the gear tooth ramp to drive the clutches together. (Edit - actually their Suretrac uses the ramped shaft, added a picture below. Ford's uses the ramp of the gear teeth.) I don't know if their helical has the "lifted wheel" problem or not either.
Read the first Eaton page and you'll see how many different types of differential there are. Each has a weakness.
http://www.eaton.in/Eaton/ProductsSe...ials/index.htm
http://www.eaton.in/Eaton/ProductsSe...trac/index.htm
http://www.eaton.in/Eaton/ProductsSe...trac/index.htm
A couple of threads about "unloaded helicals".
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo.../104048/page1/
Here's one that seem pretty objective, informed, and doesn't seem to be selling anything.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/eng...table-for-you/
There's a lot of engineering in those pumpkins.
edit - Suretrac is not like Traction-Lok.
Last edited by BareBonesXL; 12-23-2018 at 04:34 PM.
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skl1 (01-03-2019)
#13
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I had a viscous LSD (VLSD) in my Nissan Pathfinder and it worked great. There was just a slight slip of one wheel before the other would grab. Noticeable in snow or mud at low speed but not a big deal. It was still working like it should at 260,000 miles.
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skl1 (01-03-2019)
#14
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The Traction-Lok bevel gear ramping is described at about 2:30 in this video. The whole thing is described from about 1:10. There are some parts that slide and wear that you wouldn't normally think about.
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chimmike (12-25-2018)
#17
And if you get a 4x4 with open diffs, in mud you'll generally have two spinning as well. One in the front and one in the rear.
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skl1 (01-04-2019)
#18
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i like my factory e-locker on my 2wd. yeah, its no 4wd, but a hell of a lot better than a 1-wheel-peel. as long as one back tire has traction, i'm moving forward. also handy for boat ramps and the local drag strip. i wont get another f150 without it, 2 or 4wd. and i got a trail rig for the really nasty stuff.
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skl1 (01-03-2019)
#19
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It's why you can get away with light rock crawling with 2 open diffs, but not a 2wd locker.
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chimmike (01-11-2019)
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And if you get a 4x4 with open diffs, in mud you'll generally have two spinning as well. One in the front and one in the rear.