4” bds/fox coilover questions
03-27-2019, 01:46 PM
#21
In keeping with the intent of this thread, I have a question:
If one were to purchase a 4" coil-over + rear block kit, presumably it would come with coil-overs that are adjustable from "X" to 4". But are they in fact adjustable? And what is the range of that adjustability? Could they be cranked down to 2"? 2.5"? 3"? And at the upper end, do they top out at exactly 4"? or is there actually a little more? I am curious because...
Ideally the truck would end up level with 4" coil-overs in the front and 4" blocks in the rear. But if in fact it was slightly nose-high (or the owner decided he wanted a very slight rake) could the coil-overs be cranked down 0.5" or 0.75"?
If one were to purchase a 4" coil-over + rear block kit, presumably it would come with coil-overs that are adjustable from "X" to 4". But are they in fact adjustable? And what is the range of that adjustability? Could they be cranked down to 2"? 2.5"? 3"? And at the upper end, do they top out at exactly 4"? or is there actually a little more? I am curious because...
Ideally the truck would end up level with 4" coil-overs in the front and 4" blocks in the rear. But if in fact it was slightly nose-high (or the owner decided he wanted a very slight rake) could the coil-overs be cranked down 0.5" or 0.75"?
03-27-2019, 03:12 PM
#22
* * Apologies to BoostGhost; I'm not trying to hijack your thread. Instead, I've reasoned that my question is relevant. Hopefully you agree.
Yes - I'm committed to the 4" diff drop kit. I would've been content with OE struts + spacers, but I really, REALLY want the flexibility of adjustment threads. Now I'm trying to decide on RR or monotube shocks (assuming both are available in replacement strut assemblies).
Yes - I'm committed to the 4" diff drop kit. I would've been content with OE struts + spacers, but I really, REALLY want the flexibility of adjustment threads. Now I'm trying to decide on RR or monotube shocks (assuming both are available in replacement strut assemblies).
Last edited by ronemca; 03-27-2019 at 03:15 PM.
03-27-2019, 03:19 PM
#23
* * Apologies to BoostGhost; I'm not trying to hijack your thread. Instead, I've reasoned that my question is relevant. Hopefully you agree.
Yes - I'm committed to the 4" diff drop kit. I would've been content with OE struts + spacers, but I really, REALLY want the flexibility of adjustment threads. Now I'm trying to decide on RR or monotube shocks (assuming both are available in replacement strut assemblies).
Yes - I'm committed to the 4" diff drop kit. I would've been content with OE struts + spacers, but I really, REALLY want the flexibility of adjustment threads. Now I'm trying to decide on RR or monotube shocks (assuming both are available in replacement strut assemblies).
http://bds-suspension.com/product?ma...1&yr=2017-2019
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03-27-2019, 03:25 PM
#24
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Thread Starter
* * Apologies to BoostGhost; I'm not trying to hijack your thread. Instead, I've reasoned that my question is relevant. Hopefully you agree.
Yes - I'm committed to the 4" diff drop kit. I would've been content with OE struts + spacers, but I really, REALLY want the flexibility of adjustment threads. Now I'm trying to decide on RR or monotube shocks (assuming both are available in replacement strut assemblies).
Yes - I'm committed to the 4" diff drop kit. I would've been content with OE struts + spacers, but I really, REALLY want the flexibility of adjustment threads. Now I'm trying to decide on RR or monotube shocks (assuming both are available in replacement strut assemblies).
no need to apologize! It is definitely relevant and I’m learning, too. Thanks for keeping it going. Any others are welcome to ask questions,’too.
03-27-2019, 06:34 PM
#25
I was wrong when I assumed “ monotube” was the term for a NON-remote reservoir shock. What I’ve been wondering is whether I can save some money by selecting coil-overs that do not utilize a RR shock. (My installer believes that RR shocks would be overkill for my application) But a trusted friend has opined that I would likely not save much if anything by choosing (searching for) non-RR coil-overs.
Last edited by ronemca; 03-27-2019 at 06:44 PM.
04-09-2019, 01:11 PM
#26
More than one person has opined that RR shocks are less than ideal for:
a) very cold weather use
b) infrequent and/or NOT super-aggressive off-roading
Because:
a) the primary purpose of the additional fluid volume in the RR is heat dissipation...which is not a concern in cooler (cold) climates
b) overkill and excessive expense (when compared to non-RR Shocks)
The good news is...
There are indeed brand name diff-drop COIL-OVER kits that utilize non-RR shocks.
The quest continues!
a) very cold weather use
b) infrequent and/or NOT super-aggressive off-roading
Because:
a) the primary purpose of the additional fluid volume in the RR is heat dissipation...which is not a concern in cooler (cold) climates
b) overkill and excessive expense (when compared to non-RR Shocks)
The good news is...
There are indeed brand name diff-drop COIL-OVER kits that utilize non-RR shocks.
The quest continues!
04-09-2019, 04:08 PM
#27
Damnit, now I want that kit! lol. Decisions, decisions... :-)
Assuming your "RR" stands for Remote Reservoir, you'll be all set. As a matter of fact, BDS' kit for example comes with the Remote Reservoirs anyway, and the coilovers will be adjustable (within reason, as discussed).
http://bds-suspension.com/product?ma...1&yr=2017-2019
http://bds-suspension.com/product?ma...1&yr=2017-2019
04-11-2019, 05:25 PM
#28
One step forward - two steps back...
I have determined that Dirt Logic coil-overs (Fabtech) are the only ones that come in a 4" flavor, but the fitment is only verified to MY2018.
I have also determined that the price difference between shocks with RR's and shocks without RR's is breathtaking. Prohibitive, in fact.***
My original wish ("wish" - not demand) was to diff-drop lift the truck 4" for less than the cost of a new engine. And without spacers. That meant coil-overs without RR's. Okay - shouldn't be too hard - let me find 4" RR-less coil-overs.
Um...no.
So I said okay - I'll edit my wish to allow for spacers. And I end up opening a whole new can 'o' worms regarding adjustability...and ride quality...and UCA's...and Delta joints...and spanners...and pre-loading...and DSC's...and buy 'em taller and crank 'em down...and buy 'em shorter and crank 'em up...and life on Mars...and HOLY CRAP.
(I may have imagined that last issue) But I am increasingly frustrated that it is so difficult. I'm just an ordinary guy. Okay - I'm dazzlingly handsome, but otherwise I'm an ordinary guy. I need to make the right choice the first time, because I have limited funds, and no access to a hoist, and no spare vehicle(s). This lift kit is planned for a brand new 2020 XLT FX/4 Sport V8 with 302A, Snow Plow prep pkg., NAV, etc. etc. etc. vehicle. Which of course represents a terrific outlay of cash. And it'll be a DD. So I need to make an informed decision, because...well...
*** Different priorities and all that. Some of you may think it's silly to hold back $1100. That's okay - I clearly understand the 'gotta-pay-to-play' premise. But for me, It's too much. So I'm not gonna cut corners - I just won't play.
I have determined that Dirt Logic coil-overs (Fabtech) are the only ones that come in a 4" flavor, but the fitment is only verified to MY2018.
I have also determined that the price difference between shocks with RR's and shocks without RR's is breathtaking. Prohibitive, in fact.***
My original wish ("wish" - not demand) was to diff-drop lift the truck 4" for less than the cost of a new engine. And without spacers. That meant coil-overs without RR's. Okay - shouldn't be too hard - let me find 4" RR-less coil-overs.
Um...no.
So I said okay - I'll edit my wish to allow for spacers. And I end up opening a whole new can 'o' worms regarding adjustability...and ride quality...and UCA's...and Delta joints...and spanners...and pre-loading...and DSC's...and buy 'em taller and crank 'em down...and buy 'em shorter and crank 'em up...and life on Mars...and HOLY CRAP.
(I may have imagined that last issue) But I am increasingly frustrated that it is so difficult. I'm just an ordinary guy. Okay - I'm dazzlingly handsome, but otherwise I'm an ordinary guy. I need to make the right choice the first time, because I have limited funds, and no access to a hoist, and no spare vehicle(s). This lift kit is planned for a brand new 2020 XLT FX/4 Sport V8 with 302A, Snow Plow prep pkg., NAV, etc. etc. etc. vehicle. Which of course represents a terrific outlay of cash. And it'll be a DD. So I need to make an informed decision, because...well...
*** Different priorities and all that. Some of you may think it's silly to hold back $1100. That's okay - I clearly understand the 'gotta-pay-to-play' premise. But for me, It's too much. So I'm not gonna cut corners - I just won't play.
04-11-2019, 05:38 PM
#29
Is it possible you're comparing kits or equipment that includes OTHER things that are raising the price, that is unrelated to the reservoirs? The reservoirs should not do that. For example, maybe one was a 2.0 coilover, and one was a 2.5. That would have a much bigger impact on cost than the RR. Can you post some links? Maybe that would help identify what's going on?
04-11-2019, 06:36 PM
#30
Senior Member
One step forward - two steps back...
I have determined that Dirt Logic coil-overs (Fabtech) are the only ones that come in a 4" flavor, but the fitment is only verified to MY2018.
I have also determined that the price difference between shocks with RR's and shocks without RR's is breathtaking. Prohibitive, in fact.***
My original wish ("wish" - not demand) was to diff-drop lift the truck 4" for less than the cost of a new engine. And without spacers. That meant coil-overs without RR's. Okay - shouldn't be too hard - let me find 4" RR-less coil-overs.
Um...no.
So I said okay - I'll edit my wish to allow for spacers. And I end up opening a whole new can 'o' worms regarding adjustability...and ride quality...and UCA's...and Delta joints...and spanners...and pre-loading...and DSC's...and buy 'em taller and crank 'em down...and buy 'em shorter and crank 'em up...and life on Mars...and HOLY CRAP.
(I may have imagined that last issue) But I am increasingly frustrated that it is so difficult. I'm just an ordinary guy. Okay - I'm dazzlingly handsome, but otherwise I'm an ordinary guy. I need to make the right choice the first time, because I have limited funds, and no access to a hoist, and no spare vehicle(s). This lift kit is planned for a brand new 2020 XLT FX/4 Sport V8 with 302A, Snow Plow prep pkg., NAV, etc. etc. etc. vehicle. Which of course represents a terrific outlay of cash. And it'll be a DD. So I need to make an informed decision, because...well...
*** Different priorities and all that. Some of you may think it's silly to hold back $1100. That's okay - I clearly understand the 'gotta-pay-to-play' premise. But for me, It's too much. So I'm not gonna cut corners - I just won't play.
I have determined that Dirt Logic coil-overs (Fabtech) are the only ones that come in a 4" flavor, but the fitment is only verified to MY2018.
I have also determined that the price difference between shocks with RR's and shocks without RR's is breathtaking. Prohibitive, in fact.***
My original wish ("wish" - not demand) was to diff-drop lift the truck 4" for less than the cost of a new engine. And without spacers. That meant coil-overs without RR's. Okay - shouldn't be too hard - let me find 4" RR-less coil-overs.
Um...no.
So I said okay - I'll edit my wish to allow for spacers. And I end up opening a whole new can 'o' worms regarding adjustability...and ride quality...and UCA's...and Delta joints...and spanners...and pre-loading...and DSC's...and buy 'em taller and crank 'em down...and buy 'em shorter and crank 'em up...and life on Mars...and HOLY CRAP.
(I may have imagined that last issue) But I am increasingly frustrated that it is so difficult. I'm just an ordinary guy. Okay - I'm dazzlingly handsome, but otherwise I'm an ordinary guy. I need to make the right choice the first time, because I have limited funds, and no access to a hoist, and no spare vehicle(s). This lift kit is planned for a brand new 2020 XLT FX/4 Sport V8 with 302A, Snow Plow prep pkg., NAV, etc. etc. etc. vehicle. Which of course represents a terrific outlay of cash. And it'll be a DD. So I need to make an informed decision, because...well...
*** Different priorities and all that. Some of you may think it's silly to hold back $1100. That's okay - I clearly understand the 'gotta-pay-to-play' premise. But for me, It's too much. So I'm not gonna cut corners - I just won't play.
Just an FYI for you, my BDS 4" lift kit, pro comp add a leaf, Fox 2.5" RR front coilovers for 4" lifts, Fox 3.0" raptor takeoffs, and install was $4500 total...for everything. I did get a cash discount of about $400 so $4900 with everything if you can't. I also only paid $250 for my rear raptor takeoffs (which is about $125 more than the fox 2.0's so I actually could have saved a little bit of money but couldn't pass on those at that price).
What is the amount you want to spend? Obviously that plays a HUGE part in what we can recommend.
