Sound measurement app/software suggestions
03-18-2019, 10:56 PM
#11
Originally Posted by jdunk54nl
This will speed up the process and take much of your guess work out of it. Make sure to take multiple measurements around your head space for each speaker and then average the results before doing any EQ'ing.
https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/technical-advanced-car-audio-discussion/206881-jazzis-tuning-companion-room-eq-wizard.html
https://www.minidsp.com/applications...uning-with-rew
https://www.roomeqwizard.com/help/help_en-GB/html/housecurve.html
https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/technical-advanced-car-audio-discussion/206881-jazzis-tuning-companion-room-eq-wizard.html
https://www.minidsp.com/applications...uning-with-rew
https://www.roomeqwizard.com/help/help_en-GB/html/housecurve.html
There are different thoughts on the necessity of spacial averaging. (Taking measurements from different positions around your head). Andy from AudioFrog says it's not necessary. Others say it is. I have tuned both ways and can't tell a difference in measurements either way.
Why'd you link the MiniDSP auto eq instructions? No one is using a MiniDSP.
03-18-2019, 10:59 PM
#12
Originally Posted by PLASMAN
Man just finally putting in the delay after taking measurements, and the crossover points based on the speakers alone made a huge difference. All the sudden I have a well defined center stage that came out of nowhere lol!
my microphone will be here later this week to do some more advanced tuning, but it’s crazy what a huge difference just those few adjustments made..
my microphone will be here later this week to do some more advanced tuning, but it’s crazy what a huge difference just those few adjustments made..
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PLASMAN (03-18-2019)
03-18-2019, 11:02 PM
#13
Senior Member
Jazzi's tuning companion is great if you don't already have a predefined set of crossover points. It's also great for creating a house curve but not super crucial at this level. A jbl house curve or half whiteledge house curve will sound great.
There are different thoughts on the necessity of spacial averaging. (Taking measurements from different positions around your head). Andy from AudioFrog says it's not necessary. Others say it is. I have tuned both ways and can't tell a difference in measurements either way.
There are different thoughts on the necessity of spacial averaging. (Taking measurements from different positions around your head). Andy from AudioFrog says it's not necessary. Others say it is. I have tuned both ways and can't tell a difference in measurements either way.
You can make the Andy/JBL house curve "fit" just by trial and error but then you are just guessing on frequency, q, gains etc unless you have an amazing ear for this stuff.
Or output those curves via jazzi's guide and then import them into REW, then using the auto EQ feature in REW does all of the frequency, q, gains, etc for you based on your imported house curve and your frequency response curves.
I usually have one preset for Andy/JBL, whitledge, jazzi, and then one of my own messing that I decide based on one of the previous three (depending on what sounds best for the space) and tweak to see if I can improve on it.
03-18-2019, 11:13 PM
#14
Originally Posted by jdunk54nl
I like jazzi's guide for importing the house curve into REW and then using REW's power to auto eq around the house curve.
You can make the Andy/JBL house curve "fit" just by trial and error but then you are just guessing on frequency, q, gains etc unless you have an amazing ear for this stuff.
Or output those curves via jazzi's guide and then import them into REW, then using the auto EQ feature in REW does all of the frequency, q, gains, etc for you based on your imported house curve and your frequency response curves.
I usually have one preset for Andy/JBL, whitledge, jazzi, and then one of my own messing that I decide based on one of the previous three (depending on what sounds best for the space) and tweak to see if I can improve on it.
You can make the Andy/JBL house curve "fit" just by trial and error but then you are just guessing on frequency, q, gains etc unless you have an amazing ear for this stuff.
Or output those curves via jazzi's guide and then import them into REW, then using the auto EQ feature in REW does all of the frequency, q, gains, etc for you based on your imported house curve and your frequency response curves.
I usually have one preset for Andy/JBL, whitledge, jazzi, and then one of my own messing that I decide based on one of the previous three (depending on what sounds best for the space) and tweak to see if I can improve on it.
Last edited by dhmcfadin; 03-18-2019 at 11:16 PM.
03-18-2019, 11:22 PM
#15
Originally Posted by jdunk54nl
I like jazzi's guide for importing the house curve into REW and then using REW's power to auto eq around the house curve.
You can make the Andy/JBL house curve "fit" just by trial and error but then you are just guessing on frequency, q, gains etc unless you have an amazing ear for this stuff.
Or output those curves via jazzi's guide and then import them into REW, then using the auto EQ feature in REW does all of the frequency, q, gains, etc for you based on your imported house curve and your frequency response curves.
I usually have one preset for Andy/JBL, whitledge, jazzi, and then one of my own messing that I decide based on one of the previous three (depending on what sounds best for the space) and tweak to see if I can improve on it.
You can make the Andy/JBL house curve "fit" just by trial and error but then you are just guessing on frequency, q, gains etc unless you have an amazing ear for this stuff.
Or output those curves via jazzi's guide and then import them into REW, then using the auto EQ feature in REW does all of the frequency, q, gains, etc for you based on your imported house curve and your frequency response curves.
I usually have one preset for Andy/JBL, whitledge, jazzi, and then one of my own messing that I decide based on one of the previous three (depending on what sounds best for the space) and tweak to see if I can improve on it.
Last edited by dhmcfadin; 03-18-2019 at 11:43 PM.
03-18-2019, 11:28 PM
#16
Senior Member
I agree that auto eq is better than visual and audible tuning. But, you can auto eq with any house curve. Not sure about making it "fit". Spatial averaging has nothing to do with setting freq, q, or gain. It's the way in which the microphone is held during samples. A house curve is a house curve. It's a .txt file. You don't need Jazzis guide to convert anything or import anything. You are also leaving out a lot of information about this process. Like the difference between a speakers recommended crossover and the acoustical crossover needed when using auto eq.
Also, while REW does have some built in curves based on speakers, it takes way more knowledge to properly use those than exporting one of jazzi's options for house curves and then loading them into REW to then have your speakers frequency response eq'ed to match the loaded jazzi house curve, be it the jbl, whitledge, flat, etc.
I honestly think using jazzi's stuff is the easiest way for a beginner to tune and get proper results.
I remember when it came out and how much easier it was for me compared to what I was doing and how much better it sounded.
I also remember trying to use REW before I even knew about the auto EQ stuff. That was a nightmare in sound quality.
Also I understand what spatial averaging is and the house curves have nothing to do with those, it was just always suggested by quite a few. I know Andy said it wasn't necessary but his car is unique and he is very unique. I sat in it once and it sounded beautiful no matter the seat you choose.
03-18-2019, 11:42 PM
#17
Originally Posted by jdunk54nl
By "fit" I meant making your frequency response match the house curves via eq'ing.
Also, while REW does have some built in curves based on speakers, it takes way more knowledge to properly use those than exporting one of jazzi's options for house curves and then loading them into REW to then have your speakers frequency response eq'ed to match the loaded jazzi house curve, be it the jbl, whitledge, flat, etc.
I honestly think using jazzi's stuff is the easiest way for a beginner to tune and get proper results.
I remember when it came out and how much easier it was for me compared to what I was doing and how much better it sounded.
I also remember trying to use REW before I even knew about the auto EQ stuff. That was a nightmare in sound quality.
Also I understand what spatial averaging is and the house curves have nothing to do with those, it was just always suggested by quite a few. I know Andy said it wasn't necessary but his car is unique and he is very unique. I sat in it once and it sounded beautiful no matter the seat you choose.
Also, while REW does have some built in curves based on speakers, it takes way more knowledge to properly use those than exporting one of jazzi's options for house curves and then loading them into REW to then have your speakers frequency response eq'ed to match the loaded jazzi house curve, be it the jbl, whitledge, flat, etc.
I honestly think using jazzi's stuff is the easiest way for a beginner to tune and get proper results.
I remember when it came out and how much easier it was for me compared to what I was doing and how much better it sounded.
I also remember trying to use REW before I even knew about the auto EQ stuff. That was a nightmare in sound quality.
Also I understand what spatial averaging is and the house curves have nothing to do with those, it was just always suggested by quite a few. I know Andy said it wasn't necessary but his car is unique and he is very unique. I sat in it once and it sounded beautiful no matter the seat you choose.
03-18-2019, 11:53 PM
#18
Originally Posted by jdunk54nl
By "fit" I meant making your frequency response match the house curves via eq'ing.
Also, while REW does have some built in curves based on speakers, it takes way more knowledge to properly use those than exporting one of jazzi's options for house curves and then loading them into REW to then have your speakers frequency response eq'ed to match the loaded jazzi house curve, be it the jbl, whitledge, flat, etc.
I honestly think using jazzi's stuff is the easiest way for a beginner to tune and get proper results.
I remember when it came out and how much easier it was for me compared to what I was doing and how much better it sounded.
I also remember trying to use REW before I even knew about the auto EQ stuff. That was a nightmare in sound quality.
Also I understand what spatial averaging is and the house curves have nothing to do with those, it was just always suggested by quite a few. I know Andy said it wasn't necessary but his car is unique and he is very unique. I sat in it once and it sounded beautiful no matter the seat you choose.
Also, while REW does have some built in curves based on speakers, it takes way more knowledge to properly use those than exporting one of jazzi's options for house curves and then loading them into REW to then have your speakers frequency response eq'ed to match the loaded jazzi house curve, be it the jbl, whitledge, flat, etc.
I honestly think using jazzi's stuff is the easiest way for a beginner to tune and get proper results.
I remember when it came out and how much easier it was for me compared to what I was doing and how much better it sounded.
I also remember trying to use REW before I even knew about the auto EQ stuff. That was a nightmare in sound quality.
Also I understand what spatial averaging is and the house curves have nothing to do with those, it was just always suggested by quite a few. I know Andy said it wasn't necessary but his car is unique and he is very unique. I sat in it once and it sounded beautiful no matter the seat you choose.
03-18-2019, 11:59 PM
#19
Senior Member
03-19-2019, 12:05 AM
#20
Originally Posted by jdunk54nl
Ya, now just to find one...which one do you have?