When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
Ya, I don't know how I feel about the mounting right now but also didn't like the swivel mount in that same spot. If it doesn't sound good or if I need to go back to the swivel mounts, I will drill a hole in the a pillar or dash and mount them closer to the windshield in the corner.
It isn't a huge deal to me if I end up going that route. But if I don't have to cut any new holes, then, I don't have to cut any holes
You could use the original tweeter hole, and press that pod flush to the original tweeter hole, and use the bolt that threads into the pod and some backstrap behind the pillar to mount it... aka, eliminate the washer. Plus, you would regain the ability to rotate/swivel the pod as you could swivel it in the hole before tightening the nut on the bolt to the backstrap.
You will see what I mean once you do it. It will look really good too as it will stick out even less.
You could use the original tweeter hole, and press that pod flush to the original tweeter hole, and use the bolt that threads into the pod and some backstrap behind the pillar to mount it... aka, eliminate the washer. Plus, you would regain the ability to rotate/swivel the pod as you could swivel it in the hole before tightening the nut on the bolt to the backstrap.
You will see what I mean once you do it. It will look really good too as it will stick out even less.
Ya, I am going to play around with it more tonight. I thought about eliminating the washer on the front side and just use the backstrap and washer on the inside. I will see how that works tonight as it would get the pod as close to the a-pillar as possible. But as DHM said, that will help the driver side, but it would hurt the passenger side doing it like that as now it is more off-axis. I will definitely be having these look uniform so I ultimately think I will have to ditch the factory tweeter mount location all together and put them closer to the windshield and more on axis and uniform on both sides.
I have a similar situation when it comes to the tuner mount on my vehicle using my SC Dashpaq and pretty much the same reasons wanting to monitor more stuff under the hood. To be honest, my choice as to how I mounted my tweeters really had nothing to do with the tuner mount more than wanting to keep the tweeter in the same space as stock. While folks have reasons for how and where they mount their aftermarket audio, I'm not sure what the advantage would be to have a swivel mount other than aesthetics. Unless there is a certain direction the tweeter could be pointed that is more optimal than the stock placement. I like the last rendition done by dhmcfadin with his pillars. Functional without being intrusive. Of course, he has a 3 way system set up. I'm in the category of being subtle about these things, not wanting to draw to much attention to what I have in the way of audio. Out of site, out of mind, if you will. Anyway, I follow threads like these made by you, JD and also DH because of the good ideas and info you and others provide. Always very interesting.
I have a similar situation when it comes to the tuner mount on my vehicle using my SC Dashpaq and pretty much the same reasons wanting to monitor more stuff under the hood. To be honest, my choice as to how I mounted my tweeters really had nothing to do with the tuner mount more than wanting to keep the tweeter in the same space as stock. While folks have reasons for how and where they mount their aftermarket audio, I'm not sure what the advantage would be to have a swivel mount other than aesthetics. Unless there is a certain direction the tweeter could be pointed that is more optimal than the stock placement. I like the last rendition done by dhmcfadin with his pillars. Functional without being intrusive. Of course, he has a 3 way system set up. I'm in the category of being subtle about these things, not wanting to draw to much attention to what I have in the way of audio. Out of site, out of mind, if you will. Anyway, I follow threads like these made by you, JD and also DH because of the good ideas and info you and others provide. Always very interesting.
All speakers that play higher frequencies have better audio quality the more on-axis (pointed at you) they are. This doesn't mean the system in total will have better SQ, but the individual speaker does. Also DHM's a-pillars cost more than I want to spend on a set of a-pillars at this point in time. These pods were only $120.
On-axis vs. off-axis response can be seen in the following Klippel report (this is the scanspeak illuminator d3004-6020-00 textile dome tweeter)
On axis is black (point at you) and off axis is what angle are they pointed away from you. Our driver side mid is basically at 90 degrees off axis (we are nearly perpendicular to it)
Green is probably 15 degrees (maybe 30)
Red is probably 30 degrees (maybe 60)
OK, I understand. So, it would be more to your advantage to mount those swivels closer to the windshield and behind your tuner and still have the effect you want it would appear.
OK, I understand. So, it would be more to your advantage to mount those swivels closer to the windshield and behind your tuner and still have the effect you want it would appear.
Yes, for the axis aspect of speaker placement. But when you mount speakers close to corners (especially with glass) you get early reflection issues and I would have to drill holes in my a-pillars...so I would in sense fix one issue only to create two issues. I have no clue which way would actually sound the best. I am really attempting to use the stock tweeter location with the pods first. I have many different mounting options in this location without having to drill into my a-pillars which I like. If I have to move my x4 to some other location, I guess I will move it to some other location. I would rather do that before I drill a hole.
Again, I am ultimately not opposed to drilling holes, but if I do not have to ruin something permanently, then why do it?
Also in reality, if I mount the passenger side similar to the drivers side, with the natural angle of the pod and pillar, It will still be fairly on axis compared to the stock driver side tweeter which was about 75 degrees. The only difference, as DHM pointed out, the tweeters would then have their "meeting point" behind my seat instead of the stock having it in front by the radio.
But alas, which mounting will actually cause the best sound stage is really going to come down to actually listening. We can talk about the mounting as much as we want and think we have the best possible mounting location only to have it sound like crap and people mount their speakers poorly all the time in the name of aesthetics.
Yes, it's difficult to deal with such a small space. You fix one issue only to have another issue come up. It would appear that the best thing to do would be to place the tweeter in a location without mounting it and test the effect. I would want it as far away as possible to your listening position as is possible. I think that would be the stock location. In any event, there aren't many options.
So took the top washer off, put the ball swivel mount on, and removed the little machines washer thingy (shown in second picture). I think this is the best option for still using stock location.
Doing this moved the speakers in to about the same distance away as the non ball mount, and now I have swivel capabilities. I like it. Should be out of the way of the sct x4 now and I can angle the tweeter to get best sound quality.
05-14-2019, 10:14 AM
