Validity of Dealer Statements about 3.5L EcoBoost Engine
04-26-2016, 10:34 PM
#21
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I have been trying to buy my first truck but the dealer is not making it easy. I did lots of research and decided on a 2016 F150 XLT with 3.5L EcoBoost. I'm not in a hurry to buy and the dealer has tried to sell me what they had on the lot instead of what I want (e.g., different color, Sport model, etc.) on a couple of occasions, which is what I fully expected the dealer to do. However, my last visit left me wondering if the dealership stepped over the line.
They were supposed to get a truck with my specs from another dealer approximately 40 miles away. When I looked at the truck, it had over 500 miles on it and had a 3.5L engine, but not EcoBoost. The salesman said that the 3.5L EcoBoost engines were "junk" and they were not carrying them in inventory any longer. He said that they showed zero in inventory in a 4 state region because the engines were causing so many service headaches and were "junk" that dealers wouldn't sell.
That goes against everything my Ford buddies and research told me but I wanted to ask the forum just to be sure. Typing this out, I can't believe that I even have to ask whether the dealer is being dishonest/misleading but at least I have the good sense to not put any money down on the purchase yet. I think it's time to go with a different dealer - feedback? Thanks.
They were supposed to get a truck with my specs from another dealer approximately 40 miles away. When I looked at the truck, it had over 500 miles on it and had a 3.5L engine, but not EcoBoost. The salesman said that the 3.5L EcoBoost engines were "junk" and they were not carrying them in inventory any longer. He said that they showed zero in inventory in a 4 state region because the engines were causing so many service headaches and were "junk" that dealers wouldn't sell.
That goes against everything my Ford buddies and research told me but I wanted to ask the forum just to be sure. Typing this out, I can't believe that I even have to ask whether the dealer is being dishonest/misleading but at least I have the good sense to not put any money down on the purchase yet. I think it's time to go with a different dealer - feedback? Thanks.
The tool is a poor rep for the dealer and Ford.
I wouldn't call them junk. The word I use is gimmick. More purchase price, more fuel used, more failures reported, less horsepower, and more expensive to maintain compared to the V8, yet gullible Americans buy them like hotcakes.
My friend who is a sales manager told me Saturday that they're seeing a lot of problems with the 3.5 Eco around 100,000 miles. No surprise to me, but it was interesting to hear him admit it.
My friend who is a sales manager told me Saturday that they're seeing a lot of problems with the 3.5 Eco around 100,000 miles. No surprise to me, but it was interesting to hear him admit it.
Reading these boards, I don't have a lot of confidence I will see 300k trouble free miles like my 03 Ranger Edge I had (well I did have to rebuild the rear and put in some control arm bushings).
I will say that I would have preferred the Shelby GT500 5.4 Liter DOHC Engine in my Tremor............but..............
Last edited by Speedfreak400; 04-26-2016 at 10:43 PM.
04-26-2016, 10:58 PM
#22
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Amazing how quickly this became an Eco bash thread. Maybe I'm lucky enough to live in a blessed part of the country, but the "problems" everyone complains about with trucks in general are more the exception than the rule.
04-26-2016, 11:08 PM
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1lowranger (04-27-2016)
04-26-2016, 11:44 PM
#26
Beer, Boats, and Trucks.
This happens in every thread
04-26-2016, 11:54 PM
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1lowranger (04-27-2016)
04-27-2016, 07:16 AM
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Consumer Reports = National Enquirer. Food for idiots willing to pay to believe the crap they print. Friggen media are the source of much misinformation, all they care about is selling another copy, just like car salesmen. The dealer I worked at for 11 years had me shaking my head in disbelief the limited amount of information they knew/needed to know/willing to learn/ all they care about is making the sale, don't matter if it's a magazine or vehicle, most of them are clueless about what they are selling.
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Tesla Motors’ all-electric Model S sedan got high marks in Consumer Reports’ 50-plus tests involving driving dynamics and livability, and it consumed energy at the electric equivalent of 84 miles per gallon (87 MPGe in the P85D trim). It’s the best-performing car we’ve ever tested.
But its predicted reliability is another matter.
As part of our Annual Auto Reliability Survey, we received about 1,400 survey responses from Model S owners who chronicled an array of detailed and complicated maladies. From that data we forecast that owning that Tesla is likely to involve a worse-than-average overall problem rate. That’s a step down from last year’s “average” prediction for the Model S. It also means the Model S does not receive Consumer Reports’ recommended designation. (To be recommended, a vehicle has to meet stringent testing, reliability, and safety standards, including having average or better predicted reliability.)
The main problem areas involved the drivetrain, power equipment, charging equipment, giant iPad-like center console, and body and sunroof squeaks, rattles, and leaks.
Specific areas that scored worse on the 2015 model, compared with the 2014 model in last year’s survey, were the climate control, steering, and suspension systems. Complaints about the drive system have also increased as the cars have aged—specifically for the 2013 model, which was the car’s first full model year. (See more details on the Tesla Model S model page.)
But those problems mostly still fall under Tesla’s four-year/50,000-mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (and eight-year/unlimited mileage battery and drivetrain warranty), so they are generally being corrected at no cost to owners.
Just because it's a free repair, doesn't mean the car has good reliability.
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All Hat No Cattle (04-27-2016)
04-27-2016, 07:29 AM
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Round 2- Fight