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Old 09-13-2018, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SCORGE View Post
Better to have and not need than need and not have.
If you can afford it, do it
I agree with this quote, but the same is also true of MONEY.

If your true need for 4WD goes beyond your true need for other things that money can buy you (paying off debt, saving for retirement or child’s tuition, medical bills, HVAC replacement, etc) then by all means. But there are many in the south, myself included, who just don’t need it as much.

FWIW, it really isn’t a “wash” financially - not after taking into account initial cost, decreased mileage, and increased potential for repairs.

Not saying don’t get it. I’d like to afford that luxury next time around, but you have to take everything into consideration when making that decision.
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I remember seeing the curvature of the earth as a boy, as we drove across Kansas.
Then you drove through western Kansas. Eastern Kansas is not the same.....
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Well written, and a fun read. I drive my pickup when i have to tow or haul something large, which is multiple times per week. Yesterday i hauled an excavator dig bucket that weighs about 2200 or 2300 lbs in the box of my pickup, and then after that 18 five gallon buckets of hydraulic oil. My pickup is worked 4 to 6 days a week on average, which is why I have it. The car is just so much nicer to drive if not hauling something. But I have a not fancy XLT regular cab, rear wheel drive, and drive it into job sites and up dirt roads many times per week, often many times per day. My biggest needs are a tow hitch and 8 foot box, but I sure enjoy the air conditioning, but don't need it, just makes it more comfortable is all. I could roll the windows down and just sweat, but it would not kill me. The family pickup truck when I was a kid had no air conditioning, we hand cranked the windows down, and sat 4 people on the bench seat.
It sounds like you make a living with your truck, so you get a pass as someone who truly does need a pickup!
The family pickup on our farm when I was a kid had AC, but the window's were hand crank. Oh, and it wasn't a pickup, it was a 91 Plymouth Voyager minivan with a 100hp 4 cylinder. It seems just about every Saturday I was told to remove those 80lb seats out of the back because we had to go get lumber, pick up more hog feed, haul the goats to the fair or chickens to get slaughtered. Then it was hurry and clean it up and put it back together to haul the 7 of us to church on Sunday morning! Mom was pretty excited when I bought a Ranger at 17, she was tired of her van getting abused as the farm "truck".
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I can’t get up my driveway with 2WD. Sometimes I can’t get up with 2WD and lockers. I usually use 4WD even in dry weather. A lightly loaded pickup has trouble going up modest grades if the surface is loose such as gravel or dirt. If you drive on unpaved grades, that factor strongly swings the need to go with 4 WD.

I don’t have real data but I guess that at least 90% of newer model pickups in my area are 4WD. It would be hard to sell a RWD. A suggestion is to look at recent model pickups in your area and tabulate the ratio. That would probably tell a lot about need and resale in your area

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Actually it is more of the perception that people MUST have 4WD now, when in reality, it is just poor driving skills that mandate it as "safety". Look at the generations of drivers who never had 4WD, and got by just fine in all kinds of weather. IOW 4WD is a crutch for the vast majority of drivers, builds confidence in their driving ability to the point where they think they know how to drive, when in reality, don't, get themselves in trouble, and then have to call a tow truck to get out of a ditch because they drove too fast for conditions due to the "confidence" of 4WD.

For those who do go offroading, nothing beats having 4WD, but a good 90% of them sold are never taken off road.
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Actually it is more of the perception that people MUST have 4WD now, when in reality, it is just poor driving skills that mandate it as "safety". Look at the generations of drivers who never had 4WD, and got by just fine in all kinds of weather. IOW 4WD is a crutch for the vast majority of drivers, builds confidence in their driving ability to the point where they think they know how to drive, when in reality, don't, get themselves in trouble, and then have to call a tow truck to get out of a ditch because they drove too fast for conditions due to the "confidence" of 4WD.

For those who do go offroading, nothing beats having 4WD, but a good 90% of them sold are never taken off road.
This is a great point. I grew up in NE Kansas, and 4WD vehicles are really popular there. There were always examples of people overconfident due to their ability to gain traction initially, yet when it was time to make sharp turns or stop, they’d assume their vehicles were just as effective. Nope!
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Investing in really good tires and taking an advanced driving skills course can save your own life, and the lives of others you may run into. Stopping and turning are more important than acceleration is, and that comes from good tires and skills, not 4x4.
My girlfriend drives a Honda Civic with 1 wheel drive when it spins, not even 2 tires spin. Yet she drives up to ski hills and out into the country all winter long, and in B.C. know for its steep mountain roads and snowfalls. When we started dating I was amazed by the places she takes her little car. If that car can make it around okay, a pickup truck with a locker is almost overkill even just a 2 wheel drive one.

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FWD on most small cars like the civic is limited slip.
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FWD on most small cars like the civic is limited slip.
With the weight of the engine over the front wheels...FWD is better for climbing slippery hills than RWD
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Originally Posted by UncleG View Post
FWD on most small cars like the civic is limited slip.
Actually the number of open ended diffs in front wheel drive cars is probably closer to 75% open VS Limited Slip. Kind of like the whole Mazda3 Line the only one with a LSD was the Speed 3.
I have had my 2 wheel drive trucks forever, and most of our company trucks have Open Diffs so they are one wheel drive. I am in East Tennessee and live at the top of the hill and my E locker gets up to my house just fine, as well as my Mustang with the LSD and summer tires (1 Time coming back from the dealer after a warranty repair). The only time I had any problem getting up to my house last year was when the 4x4 was stuck in front of my house and I still went around him and parked in my driveway.
My truck is also used as a truck and has a Shell and normally has 400-500 pounds in the bed. If it is bad enough to need a 4x4 there is no need for me to leave the house. For the rest of time why do I need all the stuff in the front end to be there to wear out and/or break.
Even when I lived up in Massachusetts and New Hampshire and plowed snow I was driving a Ranchero, just had to have a set of snow tires and away you go.
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