Stop/Start
07-16-2019, 07:36 AM
#21
Senior Member
Thread Starter
I listed the two messages in my post. Perfectly correct grammar.
"Remedies? Hit the button on the dash or get an autostop eliminator so you only have to hit that button once and be done with pretty much indefinitely."
Well, that is a way to turn it off. My problem is that it never stops. It's actually activated, just doesn't stop. I like the stop/start and I want it to work.
Read the post again.
"Remedies? Hit the button on the dash or get an autostop eliminator so you only have to hit that button once and be done with pretty much indefinitely."
Well, that is a way to turn it off. My problem is that it never stops. It's actually activated, just doesn't stop. I like the stop/start and I want it to work.
Read the post again.
07-16-2019, 07:47 AM
#22
Senior Member
Don't want to start an argument. Just some information.
Since the etiquette police are out, my truck is an XLT Oklahoma edition Supercab. It is a 2018 model I bought new in May of this year.
I do not push the dashboard stop/start button. No pilot light and no message on the center console saying I've disabled stop/start. I do not manually disable the stop/start. AC on or off. Lights on manual or automatic. Nothing else on...I don't think.
What conditions does the pickup have to be in for the stop/start to work? My truck engine has never once stopped when I stop with my foot on the brake. Not once. I've been paying very close attention. I can feel it running I can see the RPM's. There is no start since there was never any stop.
Any idea's why. I'm not making this up. It may start working tomorrow, but it hasn't since I bought it, only about 2000 miles. I am going to ask Ford service about it, I don't know if I want them to fix it or not. I think it may be because it's an Oklahoma edition. And that would be a can of worms.
Since the etiquette police are out, my truck is an XLT Oklahoma edition Supercab. It is a 2018 model I bought new in May of this year.
I do not push the dashboard stop/start button. No pilot light and no message on the center console saying I've disabled stop/start. I do not manually disable the stop/start. AC on or off. Lights on manual or automatic. Nothing else on...I don't think.
What conditions does the pickup have to be in for the stop/start to work? My truck engine has never once stopped when I stop with my foot on the brake. Not once. I've been paying very close attention. I can feel it running I can see the RPM's. There is no start since there was never any stop.
Any idea's why. I'm not making this up. It may start working tomorrow, but it hasn't since I bought it, only about 2000 miles. I am going to ask Ford service about it, I don't know if I want them to fix it or not. I think it may be because it's an Oklahoma edition. And that would be a can of worms.
07-16-2019, 09:52 AM
#23
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Thread Starter
Actually, I wouldn't be better off, nor the truck. There is a reason it doesn't work. And that problem is affecting other things in the truck. Besides I like the feature, I've had it on other vehicles. Any time I want the truck to not start I can easily turn it off with the button and if I'm stopped and want the truck restarted I can just momentarily take my foot off the brake. I can do this without the truck moving. It's a nice feature, progressive and fits well with other fuel-saving aspects of all new vehicles.
In the other vehicle, I found that I could start from a stop at a stoplight just as quickly as the vehicle next to me if I was first in line. If I'm in a line at a stoplight it's always a few seconds after the light turns green that the cars get moving anyway. I can't think of a way for it to annoy ME.
Others worry about the stop/start wearing out the starters. Cars today start so easily and quickly that it's hard to envision a starter wearing out. A starter back in the days of carburetors would sometimes have to crank for several seconds to get the car running.
In the other vehicle, I found that I could start from a stop at a stoplight just as quickly as the vehicle next to me if I was first in line. If I'm in a line at a stoplight it's always a few seconds after the light turns green that the cars get moving anyway. I can't think of a way for it to annoy ME.
Others worry about the stop/start wearing out the starters. Cars today start so easily and quickly that it's hard to envision a starter wearing out. A starter back in the days of carburetors would sometimes have to crank for several seconds to get the car running.
07-16-2019, 09:54 AM
#24
Update to pickup not starting. I took it to Ford service today. The looked it over and told me they had to order a part. Evidently, there is a charge controller for some functions that happen when the engine is not running. That is the part not working correctly. And since the battery is not being charged correctly the stop/start won't stop. Or something like that. This does make sense. I was getting a couple of messages I ignored. Not owning the truck but for a short time, I didn't realize they were not normal. I use Ford Pass and it kept telling me the truck had gone into deep sleep. Sometimes within a minute of me shutting the truck off. And the 8" dash would sometimes tell me to either start the truck or take the key out. This before I had even put the key in. All to me now seem connected to the battery.
We'll see after the ordered part goes in. Likely Thursday.
So the people who are butt-hurt about stop-start could in addition to their other remedies, selectively pull the power to the stop-start.controls. Pulling the wrong wire might compromise some other function; however. I would imagine the wifi hot spot for one would not work if the pickup is in deep sleep.
I am going to include a positive recommendation to Seth Wadley Vehicles here. They have the Ford, GM and Ram dealerships in Pauls Valley, OK. They have good salespeople and the service departments are top-notch. I've owned a vehicle from each of the three dealerships. Primarily going to the service depts. for the free oil/filter changes every 4 months or 3000 miles.
We'll see after the ordered part goes in. Likely Thursday.
So the people who are butt-hurt about stop-start could in addition to their other remedies, selectively pull the power to the stop-start.controls. Pulling the wrong wire might compromise some other function; however. I would imagine the wifi hot spot for one would not work if the pickup is in deep sleep.
I am going to include a positive recommendation to Seth Wadley Vehicles here. They have the Ford, GM and Ram dealerships in Pauls Valley, OK. They have good salespeople and the service departments are top-notch. I've owned a vehicle from each of the three dealerships. Primarily going to the service depts. for the free oil/filter changes every 4 months or 3000 miles.
07-16-2019, 09:57 AM
#25
Senior Member
Actually, I wouldn't be better off, nor the truck. There is a reason it doesn't work. And that problem is affecting other things in the truck. Besides I like the feature, I've had it on other vehicles. Any time I want the truck to not start I can easily turn it off with the button and if I'm stopped and want the truck restarted I can just momentarily take my foot off the brake. I can do this without the truck moving. It's a nice feature, progressive and fits well with other fuel-saving aspects of all new vehicles.
In the other vehicle, I found that I could start from a stop at a stoplight just as quickly as the vehicle next to me if I was first in line. If I'm in a line at a stoplight it's always a few seconds after the light turns green that the cars get moving anyway. I can't think of a way for it to annoy ME.
Others worry about the stop/start wearing out the starters. Cars today start so easily and quickly that it's hard to envision a starter wearing out. A starter back in the days of carburetors would sometimes have to crank for several seconds to get the car running.
In the other vehicle, I found that I could start from a stop at a stoplight just as quickly as the vehicle next to me if I was first in line. If I'm in a line at a stoplight it's always a few seconds after the light turns green that the cars get moving anyway. I can't think of a way for it to annoy ME.
Others worry about the stop/start wearing out the starters. Cars today start so easily and quickly that it's hard to envision a starter wearing out. A starter back in the days of carburetors would sometimes have to crank for several seconds to get the car running.
Last edited by Axles of Evil; 07-16-2019 at 10:05 AM.
07-16-2019, 03:51 PM
#26
I drive a late 1980s Postal Service truck. I start and stop that truck hundreds of times daily in the traditional way, with a key. The starters and all parts on this engines are nothing special, just a normal engine. In over 20 years I've seen only one starter fail me.
07-16-2019, 04:16 PM
#27
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Thread Starter
I really don't think there will be any more wear on anything, because of excessive starts. I can probably start my present F-150 with stop/start tech. tens of thousands more times than I could a 1972 Chevy pickup I used to have. The truth is there is much, much less stress on new engine parts from starting than older vehicles that took more grinding of the starter to start. There were even cautious about holding the key on for more than 15 seconds back in the day. The truth is the stop/start tech. is not going to cause any more damage to the truck than normal wear and tear of a vehicle without it.
Damage caused by stop/start frequent starting is a myth starting by malcontents who wanted reasons to say the stop/start lech. is bad. There is no credible evidence of vehicle wear caused by stop/start other than anecdotal and third hand. Most are of the type, "I heard from a friend whose uncle had an F150 that mentioned he thought wear on the xxx might be caused by the new tech".
You are simply repeating stuff you heard or read on the internet without regard to where or who originated it. Trying to force a change in the stop/start is a noble endeavor. Trying to force a change in the stop/start because a person is too lazy to push a button is the epitome of arrogance, hubris and completely disregards the wishes of others. Trying to tell others not to want fuel savings because they themselves are too blessed lazy to push a button. And then trying to back it up with a lot of extraneous made up garbage.
If one doesn't like the stop/start feature that's fine, I don't care and all should be able to have their opinion. Just would prefer they not circulate made up "facts". They can't take the vehicle as is or get something else.
The noise I hear from the really butt-hurt people about stop/start is exactly the same words I heard against seat belts. Just substitute stop/start for seatbelts.
Damage caused by stop/start frequent starting is a myth starting by malcontents who wanted reasons to say the stop/start lech. is bad. There is no credible evidence of vehicle wear caused by stop/start other than anecdotal and third hand. Most are of the type, "I heard from a friend whose uncle had an F150 that mentioned he thought wear on the xxx might be caused by the new tech".
You are simply repeating stuff you heard or read on the internet without regard to where or who originated it. Trying to force a change in the stop/start is a noble endeavor. Trying to force a change in the stop/start because a person is too lazy to push a button is the epitome of arrogance, hubris and completely disregards the wishes of others. Trying to tell others not to want fuel savings because they themselves are too blessed lazy to push a button. And then trying to back it up with a lot of extraneous made up garbage.
If one doesn't like the stop/start feature that's fine, I don't care and all should be able to have their opinion. Just would prefer they not circulate made up "facts". They can't take the vehicle as is or get something else.
The noise I hear from the really butt-hurt people about stop/start is exactly the same words I heard against seat belts. Just substitute stop/start for seatbelts.
07-16-2019, 09:00 PM
#28
Senior Member
I really don't think there will be any more wear on anything, because of excessive starts. I can probably start my present F-150 with stop/start tech. tens of thousands more times than I could a 1972 Chevy pickup I used to have. The truth is there is much, much less stress on new engine parts from starting than older vehicles that took more grinding of the starter to start. There were even cautious about holding the key on for more than 15 seconds back in the day. The truth is the stop/start tech. is not going to cause any more damage to the truck than normal wear and tear of a vehicle without it.
Damage caused by stop/start frequent starting is a myth starting by malcontents who wanted reasons to say the stop/start lech. is bad. There is no credible evidence of vehicle wear caused by stop/start other than anecdotal and third hand. Most are of the type, "I heard from a friend whose uncle had an F150 that mentioned he thought wear on the xxx might be caused by the new tech".
You are simply repeating stuff you heard or read on the internet without regard to where or who originated it. Trying to force a change in the stop/start is a noble endeavor. Trying to force a change in the stop/start because a person is too lazy to push a button is the epitome of arrogance, hubris and completely disregards the wishes of others. Trying to tell others not to want fuel savings because they themselves are too blessed lazy to push a button. And then trying to back it up with a lot of extraneous made up garbage.
If one doesn't like the stop/start feature that's fine, I don't care and all should be able to have their opinion. Just would prefer they not circulate made up "facts". They can't take the vehicle as is or get something else.
The noise I hear from the really butt-hurt people about stop/start is exactly the same words I heard against seat belts. Just substitute stop/start for seatbelts.
Damage caused by stop/start frequent starting is a myth starting by malcontents who wanted reasons to say the stop/start lech. is bad. There is no credible evidence of vehicle wear caused by stop/start other than anecdotal and third hand. Most are of the type, "I heard from a friend whose uncle had an F150 that mentioned he thought wear on the xxx might be caused by the new tech".
You are simply repeating stuff you heard or read on the internet without regard to where or who originated it. Trying to force a change in the stop/start is a noble endeavor. Trying to force a change in the stop/start because a person is too lazy to push a button is the epitome of arrogance, hubris and completely disregards the wishes of others. Trying to tell others not to want fuel savings because they themselves are too blessed lazy to push a button. And then trying to back it up with a lot of extraneous made up garbage.
If one doesn't like the stop/start feature that's fine, I don't care and all should be able to have their opinion. Just would prefer they not circulate made up "facts". They can't take the vehicle as is or get something else.
The noise I hear from the really butt-hurt people about stop/start is exactly the same words I heard against seat belts. Just substitute stop/start for seatbelts.
07-16-2019, 09:31 PM
#29
Senior Member
Common sense should tell you it's not good for the engine to shut off and restart every time you come to a stop. Now that's my opinion and I am entitled to it, just as everyone else is entitled to theirs.
07-16-2019, 11:14 PM
#30
Senior Member
Thread Starter
But it just an opinion. Seems a push to me. Setting at a light with the engine running for 1-2 minutes or stop and then start. Both will present wear on the engine components.