Soon only the wealthy will afford trucks
10-06-2012, 01:55 PM
#41
Senior Member
CAFE is a good idea, only the execution if flawed. It clearly has been twisted to benefit the biggest sales segment for the big 3 american auto makers, light trucks. These vehicles have the least technology and the highest profit margins of any vehicles on the road. IMO the standards for trucks should be much more stringent than then are in CAFE as they are the biggest polluters. And the thought that this will cost the consumer more is bunk. How much did the new engine lineup add to the bottom line price of an F150 model for model? Not much.
Honestly the people against these regulations would be the first to complain when they can't breath the air, drink the water, or afford to fill their truck.
Give me a v6 40mpg uinbody truck that weighs 4000lb and can pull 10000. Who wouldn't want that? The big 3 that's who.
Honestly the people against these regulations would be the first to complain when they can't breath the air, drink the water, or afford to fill their truck.
Give me a v6 40mpg uinbody truck that weighs 4000lb and can pull 10000. Who wouldn't want that? The big 3 that's who.
Last edited by Jetta03; 10-06-2012 at 01:57 PM.
10-06-2012, 02:30 PM
#42
Senior Member
There's no reason on earth that something like this shouldn't be available in the US: http://www.ford.com.au/commercial/ranger
I mean c'mon, people have no use for a 30+ mpg small hauler anymore? Hell even my old 91 Ford Ranger could get over 25 mpg if I didn't drive it like an idiot. I would think something that could haul, has choice of standard, extended, or 4 doors, and a 30+ mpg small turbodiesel would have a market here. Well, it WILL have a market when fuel jumps another $1 or more per gallon, and the only choice is a full sized truck that only burns gas.
Hell the Regular Cab has a Payload of 3097 lbs.
Those modern Rangers are pretty impressive. I'd buy one.
Why else would you carry around all of that extra weight and dead space if you didn't need it for kids?
News flash for you: Not everyone is a breeder.
10-06-2012, 02:46 PM
#44
Not everyone wants to drive around a minivan all day. Whenever I see a supercrew all I think of is squirmy whiny little snot-nosed kids running around, just like a minivan.
Why else would you carry around all of that extra weight and dead space if you didn't need it for kids?
News flash for you: Not everyone is a breeder.
Why else would you carry around all of that extra weight and dead space if you didn't need it for kids?
News flash for you: Not everyone is a breeder.
Last edited by GatorMedic; 10-06-2012 at 02:52 PM.
10-06-2012, 02:48 PM
#45
CAFE is a good idea, only the execution if flawed. It clearly has been twisted to benefit the biggest sales segment for the big 3 american auto makers, light trucks. These vehicles have the least technology and the highest profit margins of any vehicles on the road. IMO the standards for trucks should be much more stringent than then are in CAFE as they are the biggest polluters. And the thought that this will cost the consumer more is bunk. How much did the new engine lineup add to the bottom line price of an F150 model for model? Not much.
Honestly the people against these regulations would be the first to complain when they can't breath the air, drink the water, or afford to fill their truck.
Give me a v6 40mpg uinbody truck that weighs 4000lb and can pull 10000. Who wouldn't want that? The big 3 that's who.
Honestly the people against these regulations would be the first to complain when they can't breath the air, drink the water, or afford to fill their truck.
Give me a v6 40mpg uinbody truck that weighs 4000lb and can pull 10000. Who wouldn't want that? The big 3 that's who.
I want what you want, fair (should I say "sane") regulations, clean air, and smaller vehicles with greater economy available for purchase without legislation regulating them out of our domestic marketplace. I don't think that's too much to ask, or maybe it is... I dunno, that's why I'm not a politician.
Last edited by Fairlane64; 10-06-2012 at 02:52 PM.
10-06-2012, 03:11 PM
#46
Senior Member
Some people have these things called friends. Every time you want to go on a fishing trip, hunting trip, camping, ballgame, etc with your friends, it would be seriously annoying to have to take 2-3 vehicles every time when one will do. All of my friends around my age (24) have either crew cabs or extended cabs. Most don't have kids, but they all have friends they like to do stuff with. Not to mention it's good to have dry, temp-control, lockable storage room in the cab.
Maybe I'm in the minority for that. But owning a vehicle that seats alot of people just so your 'friends' can come along seems a little desparate to me. I think most of the multi-seat trucks are used for kids, not friends.
I do think it's ridiculously annoying how the Supercabs get better rebates than the regular cabs so that they are almost the same real world price.
10-06-2012, 03:13 PM
#47
When you compare our big F150's to compact diesels overseas, it's unbeleivable how incapable our trucks are. A VW Amorak is a tiny little truck that has a payload of 3000 lbs and can tow 10'000 lbs with 30+ mpg. A heavy duty F150 with an 8 ft box has a payload of around 2500 lbs. Why can't these trucks be available here? They would easily meet cafe requirements.
10-06-2012, 03:52 PM
#49
opinions are like *****...
Seems everyone here has a problem with a free market supply and demand system. If Americans didnt overwhelmingly want crew cabs the would not be selling so many.
Like usual CAFE standards are a good idea screwed up by politicians. If you want to pull 10k with a 4k pound truck go ahead, i don't want to and like having a choice of a big heavy truck to do it. If the price of gas gets high enough (naturally) the market will dictate other standards
Driving friends or kids in a truck is desperate? I guess next time we go out for some fun we can have 3 designated drivers instead of 1. If you don't like them then you have other choices, if Ford doesn't cater to your wants buy another brand
Like usual CAFE standards are a good idea screwed up by politicians. If you want to pull 10k with a 4k pound truck go ahead, i don't want to and like having a choice of a big heavy truck to do it. If the price of gas gets high enough (naturally) the market will dictate other standards
Driving friends or kids in a truck is desperate? I guess next time we go out for some fun we can have 3 designated drivers instead of 1. If you don't like them then you have other choices, if Ford doesn't cater to your wants buy another brand
Last edited by MR.FX4; 10-06-2012 at 03:56 PM.
10-06-2012, 04:02 PM
#50
Originally Posted by Kytann
Maybe I'm in the minority for that. But owning a vehicle that seats alot of people just so your 'friends' can come along seems a little desparate to me.