Soon only the wealthy will afford trucks
10-06-2012, 09:53 AM
#31
Originally Posted by pprior
The more gov't we get, the worse off we are.
It's clear who supports this type of crap,
make your choices in November accordingly.
It's clear who supports this type of crap,
make your choices in November accordingly.
I wish it were that simple this November. There is a candidate named Gary Johnson on the ballot that may make a substantial impact on curbing the role of government in our lives. Most have no idea he exists and he's purposefully excluded from the R&D debates... Check into him.
I'm positive Romney and Obama will not benefit this nation and its population. They are both puppets controlled by the banks (Goldman Sachs).
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10-06-2012, 11:15 AM
#34
One Bad MoFoMoCo Owner
It's not political opinion, but plain facts, that what we do at the poll today affects what we will have the ability to drive tomorrow.
That said, here's a quick comparison of the engine I have now versus the engine I had in my last truck.
2012 5.0 L 360hp (probably more) 20 mpgs hwy 17 mpgs city
2003 4.7 L 235hp (about right) 15 mpgs hwy 12 mpgs city
If auto manufacturers can keep the same kind of performance and mileage gains going, squeezing ever more out of our engines, 2020 could look like this:
2020 5.0 L 550 hp 30 mpgs hwy 25 mpgs city
That said, here's a quick comparison of the engine I have now versus the engine I had in my last truck.
2012 5.0 L 360hp (probably more) 20 mpgs hwy 17 mpgs city
2003 4.7 L 235hp (about right) 15 mpgs hwy 12 mpgs city
If auto manufacturers can keep the same kind of performance and mileage gains going, squeezing ever more out of our engines, 2020 could look like this:
2020 5.0 L 550 hp 30 mpgs hwy 25 mpgs city
Last edited by sullyman; 10-06-2012 at 12:09 PM.
10-06-2012, 11:25 AM
#35
It's not political opinion, but plain facts, that what we do at the poll today affects what we will have the ability to drive tomorrow.
That said, here's a quick comparison of the engine I have now versus the engine I had in my last truck.
2012 5.0 L 360hp (probably more) 20 mpgs hwy 17 mpgs city
2003 4.7 L 235hp (about right) 15 mpgs hwy 12 mpgs city
If auto manufacturers can keep the same kind of performance and mileage gains going, squeezing ever more out of our engines, 2010 could look like this:
2010 5.0 L 550 hp 30 mpgs hwy 25 mpgs city
That said, here's a quick comparison of the engine I have now versus the engine I had in my last truck.
2012 5.0 L 360hp (probably more) 20 mpgs hwy 17 mpgs city
2003 4.7 L 235hp (about right) 15 mpgs hwy 12 mpgs city
If auto manufacturers can keep the same kind of performance and mileage gains going, squeezing ever more out of our engines, 2010 could look like this:
2010 5.0 L 550 hp 30 mpgs hwy 25 mpgs city
kes again!
10-06-2012, 12:26 PM
#37
This is what cafe is all about.... It's corporate..
So if I continue driving a full size truck for the next 20 years, I will run the risk of looking like the monopoly man unless there is a bunch of tools in the bed.
I sincerely wish I had the time to dream up and engineer a design that would cut costs and provide exemplary efficiency. But I would need to spend nearly half of my perceived budget cutting through red tape and regulations before I can even think of a design that would comply to such tight boundaries.
It's frightening to me that most people accept this information with a closed mouth and no opinion, but its completely understandable given the facts. We are genuinely not as "free" as we possibly think we are, and its becoming more and more obvious as time progresses, for everybody. It's not that these issues are unsolvable or the resources to do so are scarce, it's more like the resources are tightly controlled, and the solutions are simply just not allowed...
So if I continue driving a full size truck for the next 20 years, I will run the risk of looking like the monopoly man unless there is a bunch of tools in the bed.
I sincerely wish I had the time to dream up and engineer a design that would cut costs and provide exemplary efficiency. But I would need to spend nearly half of my perceived budget cutting through red tape and regulations before I can even think of a design that would comply to such tight boundaries.
It's frightening to me that most people accept this information with a closed mouth and no opinion, but its completely understandable given the facts. We are genuinely not as "free" as we possibly think we are, and its becoming more and more obvious as time progresses, for everybody. It's not that these issues are unsolvable or the resources to do so are scarce, it's more like the resources are tightly controlled, and the solutions are simply just not allowed...
10-06-2012, 12:34 PM
#38
My truck would have been a heck of a lot less if I didn't think I needed a crew cab, power everything, satellite radio. If I was just to buy a basic truck, the price would probably seem pretty cheap. I know plenty of guys who want AC and vinyl floor and they are happy.
10-06-2012, 01:01 PM
#40
I don't get why any one would want a reg cab other then for fleet or sport truck.I bought my supercrew a 6.5 ft bed because I don't want a truck for work and a car to drive around my family.And if I was dropping the boat in the lake now my wife needs to follow in her car. Where does any of this make sense.and reg cabs in newer trucks look off but that's a matter of opinion so who GIVES A S*%it what yours or mine is.
While I find it very annoying I can't hardly find a 8' box regular cab truck anymore sitting on a lot, I understand the market forces that cause it to be that way. Most trucks are used as multi-purpose vehicles (non-farm & construction duty), and smaller / short beds do what most people need, so it's free market at work. If I need a long box, I'd better be prepared to order one from the dealer and wait for it to show up.
However, I would really like to see a small pickup in 4X4 configuration with a turbo diesel, that would be perfect as an everyday driver / parts runner / overall economy vehicle that could still act like a truck occasionally (especially if it was over 300 ft/lb torque). When I say small pickup, I'm not talking about something only 90% the size of an F150, but one that is smaller and lighter for obvious reasons.
I still believe fuel prices will modify our market in the future much more than personal wants, and we succeed in removing idiocy like CAFE...
Last edited by Fairlane64; 10-06-2012 at 01:17 PM.