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Old 03-23-2012, 10:23 PM
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Yup, we know it happens ! All ya got ta do is put it on a 5/16 bolt and nut in a vise and compare it happening.
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Originally Posted by Joe Rotax
Got some work done at a shop and they put antiseize on the front lugs. Drove the car someplace that day or the next day after and when I get there there's a couple of lugs gone off the front - would have been a good time if I'd lost a wheel because I was running up around 90mph. That's close enough for me - I ain't ever using that stuff. If the threads are rusty I'll wire brush them and maybe some light oil like 3n1 or whatever.
What was it torqued to? Did you get it on the collar of the lug nut or just the threads?

I've never had any issues when I used anti-seize on the threads.
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Originally Posted by BobbyC
What was it torqued to? Did you get it on the collar of the lug nut or just the threads?

I've never had any issues when I used anti-seize on the threads.
Aluminum rims would have been 90 - 100 ft lbs or thereabouts.

It was a performance shop that did the work - they were installing headers and found some front end work for themselves to do while they were at it. When I picked the car up the guy mentioned that he put antiseize on there like it was some kind of a big deal - maybe they slopped too much on but it did lose a couple of lugs like I said and in countless years of driving and working on my cars I've never really needed to use anything on the lugs so I could get them off later.

That's just been my one time experience with it but it's enough to say never again for me anyway.
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Originally Posted by Joe Rotax
Aluminum rims would have been 90 - 100 ft lbs or thereabouts.

It was a performance shop that did the work - they were installing headers and found some front end work for themselves to do while they were at it. When I picked the car up the guy mentioned that he put antiseize on there like it was some kind of a big deal - maybe they slopped too much on but it did lose a couple of lugs like I said and in countless years of driving and working on my cars I've never really needed to use anything on the lugs so I could get them off later.

That's just been my one time experience with it but it's enough to say never again for me anyway.
The reason I asked was because it sounds odd and maybe the lugs weren't even tightened. I highly doubt a shop would torque lugs unless you specifically asked and even then, I'd be suspect. The only time I've seen lug nuts/bolts come out were when they were just hand tightened.
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Originally Posted by BobbyC
I highly doubt a shop would torque lugs unless you specifically asked and even then, I'd be suspect. The only time I've seen lug nuts/bolts come out were when they were just hand tightened.
It was a so called performance shop run by one guy who raced and a few employees - they would have known about torquing the lugs on expensive aluminum rims or any rims for that matter. They also knew that the car was run at Mosport which is a fast track with a 3/4 mile straight where my car tachs out at 150mph - however, I wouldn't run there w/out checking everything myself first. The lugs came off a few days after I got the car back - maybe they did leave some of them loose - but after that I looked into it and most of what I found said don't use antisieze. The other thing is that I've never had a problem getting lugs off anyway unless its some rusted heap that's just fit for scrap. So I'm gonna err on the side of caution with this one.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:01 AM
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Tried PB Blaster. My neighbor had some. Sprayed it on , let it soak. Didn't loosed rust. Heat worked. Only on rim, not hub!
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Originally Posted by Joe Rotax
It was a so called performance shop run by one guy who raced and a few employees - they would have known about torquing the lugs on expensive aluminum rims or any rims for that matter. They also knew that the car was run at Mosport which is a fast track with a 3/4 mile straight where my car tachs out at 150mph - however, I wouldn't run there w/out checking everything myself first. The lugs came off a few days after I got the car back - maybe they did leave some of them loose - but after that I looked into it and most of what I found said don't use antisieze. The other thing is that I've never had a problem getting lugs off anyway unless its some rusted heap that's just fit for scrap. So I'm gonna err on the side of caution with this one.
Everyone makes mistakes. You tend to make less when YOUR life is on the line. When I used to track my M3, I did all the work myself. If I needed a shop to do something, I would double check everything when I got home.

I never used anti-seize on my M3 lugs but it's a good idea for most passenger cars. Just a little goes a long way. It doesn't take long for metals to rust or corrode in the right conditions, even on new cars.
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not the safest thing in the world but when my wheels rusted to the hubs/studs I used to take all the lugs off the wheels, put the car/truck on level ground and do a quick burnout - always broke them loose.

Again - not saying it's safe, just that it worked for me (I always did it in an empty parking lot or somewhere that nobody could get hurt!)
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Originally Posted by 2000xl_toronto
not the safest thing in the world but when my wheels rusted to the hubs/studs I used to take all the lugs off the wheels, put the car/truck on level ground and do a quick burnout - always broke them loose.

Again - not saying it's safe, just that it worked for me (I always did it in an empty parking lot or somewhere that nobody could get hurt!)
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard in my life. What do you do then when your tire falls off and your hub smashes into the pavement? haha! Silly canadians!



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