kmac1036

Toyotas are not immune to issues. the taco holds the record for most recalls. I don't know if they ever actually fixed the frame rot issues on either of their trucks. last I knew they were still taking 2 C channels & welding along the seam in short sections. I hope they quit doing this, it's an important part of the truck & it also cost them $3.3b in the class action lawsuit. They tend not to deal on the new ones very much, if at all where I live. They are just like any other truck - keep it long enough and you'll start changing stuff just like the rest. My grandma has an '06 taco, not a lot has gone wrong with it but I'd say her fair share, considering the mileage is still well under 100k. the water pump repair was almost $900 though, their parts are high. The Ram - until they get rid of that stupid coil suspension on the rear, they are not going to have useful payload and towing ratings. They're also still struggling with the 8 speed trans. Had to change vendors, so the new option has been better for them, but it's not being used in all the configs yet. Both Toyota & Ram are long overdue for an updated V8, or engine choices for that matter. The GM twins have had just as many engine issues, mostly due to cylinder deactivation as Ford had with the EcoBoost. I had a 13 with an EB, the only and main issue I had was the startup rattle. There's a lot of those trucks on the road here and I was, at the time (2015) the only guy that had talked to both dealers in town that experienced it. My 16 has the 3.5 EB (dad ordered, couldn't take delivery, hated to see it go, or I'd still have my 13). 2 years & 28k miles later, all I've done is change the oil and got the radio reprogrammed. Ford sells over 2,400 trucks per day, so if something comes up, there's a lot of product on the road already that could be having the issue. But not everyone does (true with all brands). I talk to guys, in person, about their trucks. this is what I've gathered, so not just commenting on here or pulling info out of nowhere. Rams are usually really nice inside (recent ones), GM has a little better payload than the Ram & still rides good. Ford has the widest engine choice, tons of available options (but they do charge plenty for them!) & pretty solid towing/hauling capacity. Haven't sat in or drove a Tundra in several years, maybe their payload ratings are decent still? Anyway, good luck with your search.

Pickupman66

I have owned every major brand of full size pickups excluding Nissan. It all started with a 1966 Chevy when I was 16. then on to a 1995 Chevy Z-71. I put 125k miles on that and the rear diff cratered. rebuilt it and then sold the truck. Went into a 2001 Silverado extended cab. That truck was nice but once over 100k, I felt like the reliability was diminished and the insides were falling apart. it rattled like a bucket of bolts and there fore sold it (still on the road but with a new radiator and transmission or two) and bought a 2004 Tundra. It had 60k miles on it when i purchased it. I was the 2nd owner. I drove it until until the odometer read 285K and then I felt that it was time to let her go before a catastropic failure of any sort. In that time, I replaced brakes, rotors plugs and fluids. 1 rear end axle seal replaced and that is all I can recall as far as major repairs. It never leaked and never left me stranded. just wore out the seats. I swapped it for a 2009 Ram1500 4x4 laramie with 75K. I loved the Ram but I was the 3rd owner. I drove it until I got to 215k miles. I performed all oil changes at 5-8K, changed the trans fluid and filters (pan filter was a bitch). In that time I replaced both front wheel hubs (below 150k), Rebuild the Pinion gears and bearing at 85k, replaced carrier bearings at 160k, Replaced the transfer case shift motor, replaced front diff wheel seals, replaced the radio Hard disk, replaced a few coils, changed 16 spark plugs a few times(CHORE!!!), replaced exhaust manifold bolts and gaskets (had to drill a few out), replaced rear shocks and attempted the front struts (bottom bolts were seized, stopped short of cutting them out). Every bolt i removed on the front of that truck was an undertaking. it took twice as long to do anything. I traded her less than a month ago as I was starting to feel play in the driveline. I believe the transfer case bearings were about to go and that would have been a major expense and chore. I used Penzoil Platinum synthetic and the truck never left any leak spots on my driveway (except one front axle seal)

I bought my 13 Fx2 with 84k but it came with a lifetime powertrain warranty. covers all engine and trans internals, both computers, turbos, driveline and read diff. plus some other powertrain goodies. I am the 2nd owner and it has been well cared for. I hope that it will compare to the Tundra as far as repairs.

FWIW, I put a Weatherguard truck box on the 2001 Silverado and that box has now made it onto the F150. While it shows some fading and dings, that truckbox still operates as good as the day I got it. I have had it for at least 12-14 years.

mathdan001

Appreciate all the answers. Please keep them coming as it will really help to narrow down my choices.

To the person who suggested Tacoma, no I am not interested. I already mentioned my choices. Not interested in anything else.

mathdan001

The Ram I owned was 2015 and my buddy owned a 2015 as well I had around 30k miles when I had to sell it. My buddy sold it around 40k. We didn't want to sell it, it just so had to be due to many reasons.

Do you say the Rams have the same issues with the new generations?

kmac1036

I only mentioned the Tacoma since there was one in the family is all. Wasn't saying it was a choice for you. Don't blame you for not wanting one.

Buddy of mine bought a Ram Rebel recently mainly because he liked the looks of it. so far, it's been ok. his payload is only 1005 lbs though with the air suspension. were you looking to tow or haul anything? what features, trim level or price range were you looking at?

mark_j

No experience with 2015-newer Rams.

My opinion? A manufacturer with overall mediocre quality does not improve overnight. Our Dodge/Ram trucks had a problem keeping their transmissions in one piece when towing in mountainous areas and also keeping oil on the inside of the engine instead of on the ground.

ZeroCool

Must have inherited that problem when they bought out AMC/Jeep back in the 80's. The long running gag about Jeeps: If there ain't no oil under 'em there ain't no oil in 'em.

supersnake67

I've been a Toyota tech for 14 years and they are great trucks. The 5.7 Tundra's have almost zero issues that I've seen other than air pumps going bad later in life. Parts and simple items can be very expensive to replace. Starter is a 5 hour job, water pump is a 5 hour job, believe the alternators are like 900 dollars and are a 3-4 hour job. Most other stuff is relatively easy. Tundra's don't offer many options and since higher resale values it's hard to find one cheap low mileage used. The new Tacomas are junk the direct and port injection is loud, no power, lots of tsb's and recalls. Had a 15 Silverado with low miles with electrical issues so I traded it in. A Tundra wasn't in my budget so I figured I'd give Ford a try. Can't go wrong with a nice Ford or Toyota. Also I've seen the gas mileage towing on the 5.7 Tundra's as bad as 9 MPG. I weighed all my options out before I decided. I just bought my 13 F150 5.0 last weekend with 73k miles so hopefully it will treat me good for a while until I see something else I like. I'm not a fan of Dodges at all, but the new Ram looks amazing.

mathdan001

Not sure about the trim level. That's the thing about f150 build - it is very confusing. Some say there is no difference between lariat and xlt and some say there is. I am having a hard time understanding all the packages. I need 2.7l Ecoboost, 4x4, leather, with panoramic sunroof, sport package (color coding) and all the technology that I can get. Not sure which trim would fit that.

UncleG

All the tech - Lariat 502A